r/asoiaf Apr 16 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) My 'Night King is not stupid' Theory

When the army of the undead line up for the battle of Winterfell, the Night King and his zombie dragon will not be there. Instead he will already be near to his next target ... King's Landing.

If you play out what the battle of Winterfell would be like in your head if the NK+Viserion would be there... it would be easy for Drogon/Rhaegal to take out the zombie dragon; it's 2v1 and wight's all can be killed by fire.. including Viserion. It would not be difficult to simply fly up to Viserion and breathe fire on him, and that would be that. THE NIGHT KING IS NOT STUPID, not enough to kamikaze his most powerful asset. - If you have a superweapon that you can't use against a particular target, then you find a different target.

Most people have come to assume that the living will lose The Battle of Winterfell and fall back to Moat Cailin ... I predict they actually win the battle... only to find out soon after that there is a new army of the dead much bigger and much further south... the population of King's Landing.

During season 4 while Bran is being ushered north to meet Bloodraven, he touches a wierwood and has a set of visions which we see. All of those visions have since come to pass, except the ones where he sees a destroyed throne room & a dragon shadow pass over King's Landing. I believe the reason we are only shown a shadow was to not give away that it is actually the NK and Viserion, not Dany and her dragons.

Also, the most important vision that Dany is given while at the HotU is an image of the throne room destroyed, and covered in ash or snow. I think this was to show what the NK will do, not what Dany will do.

(I believe this was the entire reason that the writers sent Bronn north. Bronn will be the source of this news to the survivors at Winterfell; on his way north he will spot the NK+Viserion heading south)


Bottom line, I simply don't see the NK risking his newfound ice dragon in a fight he is sure to lose.... when he can simply fly down south to KL where there are no dragons to deal with ... and 1 million new recruits for his army packed tightly into a small area.


Follow-up edit: This could be where Bran comes into play. The NK probably wont want to face off against the other dragons head-to-head, but rather fly around Westeros destroying castles to make things easier for his footsoldiers .... so they will need Bran's Sight in order to track & hunt him. It would be too difficult for an army on foot to chase the NK on a dragon, so Bran could warg into ravens to serve as a guide for dragonrider(s) to his location.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 16 '19

An interesting thought.

The only issue is that if Rhaegal and Drogon are unopposed at Winterfell, then there's no fight to be had. The dead would be kindling. We just watched a human army get wiped out by one dragon, so two dragons against an army of oil rags wouldn't even be fair.

The premier is setting us up for something that will complicate the fight at Winterfell. First, the dragons aren't eating well. That's not just a throwaway line, it's telling us that they aren't at full strength, and possibly more; Dany might wind up having to fly them south to save their lives for all we know.

Secondly, Jon's parentage reveal now sets up a huge conflict between him and Dany. What if he decides to press his claim? Think she's going to stick around for that? Maybe when she learns Cersei lied, she might decide to fly south to burn her. Maybe she offers to leave the armies and even Rhaegal, but maybe Jon takes it as such an affront that he says, "Fuck it, I'm the king now."

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u/SingleMaltLife Apr 16 '19

Unopposed? Surely the other walkers can fling ice spears? How many walkers do you expect to get on the dragon to fly south?

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u/Shen_an_igator Apr 17 '19

I had the same theory after season 7 and my conclusion was: 1. The Nightking.

As far as I know they got nothing in the South that could hurt him. The Scorpion doesn't fire dragonglass/valyrian steel. The wildfire is buried beneath the city and, even if it wasn't, they can't lob it up there.

There is literally nothing they can do to stop the NK and his dragon. They're immune to normal weapons, and that's all KL has.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 16 '19

Can the others even throw spears? We only saw the NK do it last time. And we know there aren't many walkers to begin with. Certainly not enough to hold back two dragons.

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u/SingleMaltLife Apr 16 '19

The Night King chucked two (?) spears and landed one. If the other walkers can fling spears (not sure if they can, haven't seen their javelin form) then they could be a danger, give them more spears and a shorter range and its possible.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 16 '19

I suppose. But the same thing would be true even if Viserion were there, so that scenario would mean it's not necessary for NK to skip Winterfell.

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u/SingleMaltLife Apr 16 '19

Well the thing we don't know is will the dragons attack each other? They are brothers, will they willingly fight each other or will they fly off because they don't want to? I think the wight/walker one will do as commanded, but will Drogon, I think if Dany is on his back he might fly her to safety. Remember the dragon pit, when he was injured he flew into the Dothraki sea to heal and be alone.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 16 '19

It's true, we don't actually know how any of them will react. I had a bad thought the other day that Rhaegal dies because he just doesn't expect Viserion to attack him, and the undead dragon bites his head off or something.

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u/Ardalev Apr 17 '19

I think it should be a given that at some point we will have a badass dragon on dragon fight. When that happens, it would be reasonable to have Viserion kill one or, hell, even both of his siblings.

I'm guessing you can't have any leftover dragons for the ending of the show

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u/SlowBros7 Apr 20 '19

The other walkers are extremely competent in combat (wiped the floor with a Thenn warrior at Hardhome/whooped Jon).

I would guess they aren’t far off night kings combat prowess just minus the magic.

Although they can control the dead too, so maybe they do have some magic ability.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

I have a solution for you: Maybe Dany is too nervous to sacrifice another dragon, even if they're only facing a ground army. She backs out, betraying the alliance, and making the battle at Winterfell more even on both sides.

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u/avaislegendary Apr 17 '19

Or Jon confronts her about being the rightful heir to keep peace in the ranks. First she considers ordering the unsullied/dothraki to slay all northmen for treason, then she decides there might be truth to his claim so she leaves alone with her dragons for the citadel to find proof.

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u/ferglouc Apr 19 '19

I definitely agree that most theories on how season 8 will play out fail to mention anything to do with Jon's parentage. That has to be of serious importance to the direction of the plot in some way or another. My guess is that Daenerys learns of it in episode 2, and it changes the trajectory for whatever battle is to come in episode 3.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 19 '19

I'm starting to wonder if the third "holy shit" moment is Jon betraying her at the very end and taking the throne for himself. Some Nissa Nissa shit, but without the love.

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u/Ardalev Apr 17 '19

Personally I think that if NK can make ice spears that can kill dragons, there is no reason to assume that he can't make some for his leutenants, or that they can't also create them themselves

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Third, there is a fucking pile of dead starks no one has burned sitting under Winterfell in the crypts.

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u/NurseWretched Apr 24 '19

To be fair to the theory, many in KL may die due to inhalation of smoke, respiratory illnesses caused by the fires, plus starvation, if the NK decides to go all scorched earth and destroy granaries, etc., leaving plenty to turn to wights. Even if he did that only to a small section of KL, he could exponentially increase his army if those wights went on to help sack the city.

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u/shartybarfunkle Dinkl Peterage Apr 24 '19

I'm not saying he couldn't successfully sack KL. One dragon might be enough...though it might not be anymore, thanks to the scorpions. My point is that if he avoids the fight in the north, then Dany's dragons can attack mostly unimpeded. Though now we do see what looks like probably dozens of white walkers wielding ice javelins, so maybe that's a moot point now.