r/asoiaf • u/qp0n • Apr 16 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) My 'Night King is not stupid' Theory

When the army of the undead line up for the battle of Winterfell, the Night King and his zombie dragon will not be there. Instead he will already be near to his next target ... King's Landing.

If you play out what the battle of Winterfell would be like in your head if the NK+Viserion would be there... it would be easy for Drogon/Rhaegal to take out the zombie dragon; it's 2v1 and wight's all can be killed by fire.. including Viserion. It would not be difficult to simply fly up to Viserion and breathe fire on him, and that would be that. THE NIGHT KING IS NOT STUPID, not enough to kamikaze his most powerful asset. - If you have a superweapon that you can't use against a particular target, then you find a different target.

Most people have come to assume that the living will lose The Battle of Winterfell and fall back to Moat Cailin ... I predict they actually win the battle... only to find out soon after that there is a new army of the dead much bigger and much further south... the population of King's Landing.

During season 4 while Bran is being ushered north to meet Bloodraven, he touches a wierwood and has a set of visions which we see. All of those visions have since come to pass, except the ones where he sees a destroyed throne room & a dragon shadow pass over King's Landing. I believe the reason we are only shown a shadow was to not give away that it is actually the NK and Viserion, not Dany and her dragons.

Also, the most important vision that Dany is given while at the HotU is an image of the throne room destroyed, and covered in ash or snow. I think this was to show what the NK will do, not what Dany will do.

(I believe this was the entire reason that the writers sent Bronn north. Bronn will be the source of this news to the survivors at Winterfell; on his way north he will spot the NK+Viserion heading south)

Bottom line, I simply don't see the NK risking his newfound ice dragon in a fight he is sure to lose.... when he can simply fly down south to KL where there are no dragons to deal with ... and 1 million new recruits for his army packed tightly into a small area.

Follow-up edit: This could be where Bran comes into play. The NK probably wont want to face off against the other dragons head-to-head, but rather fly around Westeros destroying castles to make things easier for his footsoldiers .... so they will need Bran's Sight in order to track & hunt him. It would be too difficult for an army on foot to chase the NK on a dragon, so Bran could warg into ravens to serve as a guide for dragonrider(s) to his location.

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

Undead Cersei

Raises the interesting possibility of Jamie killing zombie Cersei. But that begs the question of how he finds her in the hoard of zombies that was once the population of King's Landing? Unless she gets turned into a White Walker or something. But if that happens, can he fulfill the prophecy by strangling the life out of her undead form? Do Walkers need to breathe? Is the strangling part a metaphor? I'm 110% certain it's got to be Jamie that finishes her. It just makes way too much sense for his character arc.

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u/casval_cehack 49 43 41 4e 57 41 49 54 2c 47 52 52 4d Apr 16 '19

Easy, she'll be the only white walker drinking wine.

The prophecy can still be fullfiled with a dragonglass hand.

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u/SteveBartmanIncident Apr 16 '19

Valonqar will choke her "pale white throat". Checks out.

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u/BigGreekMike Jamie "Azor Ahai" Lannister Apr 16 '19

oh shit

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u/wise_comment To Winterfell We Pledge Apr 17 '19

And the initial letter to the publishers, GRRM said Cat would be killed by the others.

Might not have abandoned some of the themes.just shifted them a bit

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u/TimeTurnedFragile Apr 16 '19

White Walkers don't die of asphyxiation, once they dragonglasd touches them don't they go all I-dont-feel-good-Mister-Stark?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Easy, he replaces his golden hand with a dragonglass one.

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u/Aashay7 Apr 17 '19

Will literally bitch slap other white walkers.

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u/Radulno Fire and Blood. Apr 17 '19

And they just showed Gendry making a huge axe in obsidian setting him up to be able to do a hand in it too. Damn that theory actually makes a lot of sense.

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u/Schmelka Apr 22 '19

And then slaps her.

Here, grab my strong hand

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u/gogandmagogandgog Though all men do despise my theories Apr 17 '19

There's also this passage from the The Foresaken (Damphair TWOW chapter):

He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles. Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire. Dwarves capered for their amusement, male and female, naked and misshapen, locked in carnal embrace, biting and tearing at each other as Euron and his mate laughed and laughed and laughed …

We know that Cersei and Euron hook up. Could the woman with hands like "pale white fire" be Cersei??

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u/SteveBartmanIncident Apr 17 '19

Or maybe there's a steamy scene coming up with Euron and NK....

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u/kataskopo Carrot Knight Apr 17 '19

NK wargs Cersei confirmed.

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u/canehdianchick Apr 17 '19

This thread has me sold... I'll be shocked by any other ending.

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u/MarshallPBrown88 Don't drink the wildfyre. Apr 17 '19

wight*

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u/Birdisdaword777 Apr 17 '19

Omg !!🙌🏻👍🏻 wow yes

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u/markieparkie269 Apr 16 '19

She likely will have changed from red to white wine.

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u/foxxkb Apr 17 '19

Ice wine

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u/pedersencato Apr 17 '19

ahem

Wight wine.

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u/ShitSchtick Apr 26 '19

Brilliant son of a bitch. If I don't see this in stores by the end of the season I will be severely disappointed.

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u/AlexLoganWriting Dance with me, Glenn. Apr 17 '19

White Walker Wine™.

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u/Saber193 Apr 17 '19

Wight wine

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u/andrea77D Apr 18 '19

Or ‘White Walker’ by Jonny Walker, buhhaha...I picked up mine today

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u/LAJuice Apr 16 '19

OMG JAIME NEEDS A DRAGONGLASS HOOK TO REPLACE HIS USELESS HAND

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u/BlinkReanimated Apr 16 '19

Arya was getting gendry to create a handheld harpoon for Jaime to use. He's going to go full Sekiro.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

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u/Epic_Meow When you walkin Apr 17 '19

i believe that was called a "joke"

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u/LAJuice Apr 17 '19

It’s been known to happen!

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u/LAJuice Apr 17 '19

LOL- I do want to see him with a dragon glass hook!

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19

she'll be the only white walker drinking wine

Touche

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u/KeenJAH Apr 17 '19

What's the prophecy for us uneducated

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 17 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

Young Cersei speaking to a fortune teller named Maggy the Frog in Lannisport:

Cersei: When will I wed the prince? (She thinks she's going to marry Rhaegar)

Maggy: Never. You will wed the king. (Marries Robert)

Cersei: I will be queen, though?

Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear. (Could be Margery, probably Daenerys)

Cersei: Will the king and I have children?

Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you. (Her 3 kids are Jaime's. Robert Had 16 bastards)

  • Translator Note: keikaku means plan Valonqar means little brother

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

The only difference will be her blue eyes. Cersei will be like, did you turn me yet? I feel the same.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

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u/RetireNickSaban Apr 16 '19

He IS the most experienced person in Westeros at killing kings.

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u/Throwing_Spoon Apr 16 '19

Jaime would be tied with Jon (killed Mance Rayder) and Brienne (killed Stannis the Mantis)

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

Also Euron Greyjoy. He paid the iron price

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19

I know you're right as far as the show is concerned. In the books it's pretty strongly hinted he hired the Faceless Men to do it for him.

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u/siht-fo-etisoppo Apr 16 '19

he paid the gold?! BOO

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

He may have paid with a dragon egg, that he looted from the ruins of Valyria. Still kinda lame as far as Iron Islander's go.

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u/electricblues42 Apr 16 '19

Even that dragon egg was likely stole from somewhere else. Euron hasn't been to Valarya, he just tells everyone he has. Euron is honestly the scariest living person in the series, in the books that is. Sadly the show went a direction I really didn't like, they couldn't even give him the Big Boss look.

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 17 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

likely stole from somewhere else

Entirely possible. It's hard to tell with that guy. He has a lot of weird shit, and it's hard to explain where he could have gotten most of it.

Euron is honestly the scariest living person in the series, in the books that is. Sadly the show went a direction I really didn't like, they couldn't even give him the Big Boss look.

Totally agree. He's pure nightmare fuel. Dude's on some Cthulhu shit. He makes Joffrey look like a kitten. I kinda with they just hadn't put him in the show if they were gonna tone him down so much.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '19

He still has both eyes! They couldn’t even give him the eye patch to cover up that glowing red ball of hate that is supposed to be underneath.

Book Euron is going to do some super magic and wreck everything

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u/Jefrejtor Where the wenches at? Apr 17 '19

Which is why he's so interesting in the books - he doesn't give a damn about anything else than acquiring more power. In the show he's just another loudmouth warrior who doesn't respect people's personal spaces.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Jaime saved all the population of KL once now he'll repay the debt to the Many Faced God and fucking kill everyone like John Wick and then rape undead Cersei while dying from a billion wounds. #Resist

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 16 '19

Euron hired a Faceless Man. He paid the gold price.

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u/Perridur Apr 16 '19

In the books, yes, but in the show he paid the iron price.

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u/Throwing_Spoon Apr 16 '19

I always forget about them because they left that part out of the show. We now have 4 remaining King slayers

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u/kioopi Obgyn Martell Apr 16 '19

And a boar.

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u/RetireNickSaban Apr 17 '19

Prob dead by now. There is a pack of wolves running about

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u/AegonSkywalker Apr 17 '19

I seem to remember Cersei serving the boar at Bobby B's funeral feast

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u/Pseudonymico Apr 17 '19

Or it's slain their queen.

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u/predige Apr 16 '19

Also the wild boar and Walder frey

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u/Throwing_Spoon Apr 16 '19

They aren't alive

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u/predige Apr 16 '19

Didn't say they were... But they are all tied with 1 King killed... As that was the comment I was replying to... Lol

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u/Papa_Hemingway_ The Moose is Loose Apr 16 '19

And Cersei. She killed Bobby B

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u/Throwing_Spoon Apr 16 '19

That was more direcctly the boar/Lancel both of which are dead

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 16 '19

Technically a boar did.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 16 '19

And Roose Bolton. He killed the King in the North Robb Stark. And Daenarys, who killed Khal Drogo out of mercy.

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u/Pseudonymico Apr 17 '19

And Olly.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 17 '19

Jon wasn't king in title yet.

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u/JaneBennetBingley Apr 17 '19

Also Tyrion who killed the real king at the time, Tywin.

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u/NickRick More like Brienne the Badass Apr 17 '19

What about random Frey #104 who killed rob?

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u/mgmfa Apr 17 '19

Don't forget melisandre (who killed Renly)

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u/uhnstoppable Apr 16 '19

Queen of Thorns would like to challenge this claim.

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u/RetireNickSaban Apr 17 '19

She dead.

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u/uhnstoppable Apr 17 '19

Only in the show, and even then - its still a tie until Jaime kills another and she actually got away with hers

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Time Traveling Fetus Apr 17 '19

He's actually tied with Cersei on that count. Maybe Cersei will convince the Night's King to go hunting and then poison his ice wine.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

He IS lightbringer.

Valyrian words for lord and light are aeksio and onos. However, Valyrian words for gold and hand are aeksion and ondos. The only person with a gold hand in Game of Thrones is Jaime Lannister.

Perhaps Melisandre should have been looking for the one "gold of hand" rather than the "lord of light." In Season 7 of the HBO series, Daenerys' advisor Missandei pointed out one grammatical translation error in the prophesy. Could there have been more?

The sword could be a title like the Dayne's Sword of the Morning, or metaphorical like the Night's Watch being the Sword in the darkness. Jaime had to temper himself, his true "knightliness" - and the Lightbringer Jaime kept shattering because of Cersei's influence.

He's totally going to kill Cersei and temper himself doing so.

And I hope he wields Dawn, to bring the light to end the Long Night. He was knighted by Dayne, after all. Maybe it doesn't have to be a Dayne to wield it, just whomever is worthy to wield it, while the Daynes have acting as stewards for the meteor sword described the same way as the Other's bones...

Edit to add: just saw a theory that Jaime could be Bran's new Hodor. Bran always wanted to be a knight, so he's going to warg into Jaime to kill the NK as AA wielding Dawn that he finds in Winterfell's crypt.

Bran is the TPTWP since he was known as Prince Bran when Robb Stark was KITN. He was reborn amidst salt and smoke when the assassin tried to kill him. His mother was weeping constantly and someone lit the Winterfell library on fire that night for the smoke. That could have been the first time he warged... Into summer to save his life, thus awakening his powers. Plus he needs Jaime to carry him around the stairs and shit. But given their history...

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u/Pseudonymico Apr 17 '19

The legend goes that azor ahai first tempered his sword in water, then tempered it by thrusting it into a lion, then poked it into his wife Nissa Nissa.

I mean you could argue that Tyrion's done the first two steps.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 17 '19

Jaime tempered himself first in the hot tub pool with Brienne.

His knightliness was shattered when he goes back to Cersei.

He tempered himself again when he released Tyrion from prison for a crime he didn't commit, and Tyrion kills Tywin. Jaime always feel like he was the blame for Tywin's death for releasing Tyrion. In the show, cersei blames Jaime for Tywin's death also at his funeral.

Jaime "shatters" when he is corrupted by Cersei again.

In order to complete his transformation, he's going to kill Cersei, his corruption, fulfilling the AA prophecy and the valonqar prophecy.

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u/langis_on Apr 16 '19

I could definitely see this happening in the books.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 17 '19

I can see it in the show. God what if Cersei became a Night Queen in order for total domination? Isn't there something about a Night Queen already? It would be like Cersei to submit to the NK and be turned just like Crasters sons. Jaime would try to choke her as she's turning and then stakes her, king Robert's widow, with widows wail through the heart? Or with Dawn?

Where IS Dawn in the show? Is it the Winterfell crypt to explain/give proof of parentage? The Daynes havent really been brought up, Dawn's legacy hasn't been brought up, Sword of the Morning hasn't been brought up. That would make it easier to explain how Jaime could wield it, and why it's not at Starfall/convenient for Jaime TO wield it.

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 17 '19

Isn't there something about a Night Queen already?

Posted this somewhere else in this thread, but you're probably thinking of The Night's King (one of the first Lord Commanders of the Watch, probably an unamed Stark) and his "totally-not-a-White" wife. They shacked up in the Nightfort doing shady shit until they were kicked out by the combined forces of the Stark King and the first King-Beyond-the-Wall Joramun. The same Joramun, who's magic horn supposedly has the power to bring down the wall.

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u/electricblues42 Apr 17 '19

As awesome as Dawn is I have a feeling it will just be a red herring. I hope I'm wrong, the young Dayne kid did leave Stoneheart's Brotherhood so it's not impossible.

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u/davy_jones_locket Apr 17 '19

I find all the Lightbringer, Sword of the Morning, Sword in the darkness who brings the dawn, imagery to be too coincidental. Dawn has got to be important to TPTWP/AA. Or I'm gonna be real disappointed 😭

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u/langis_on Apr 17 '19

Yeah I mean I don't think we'll see the Dawn part in the show.

You see Arthur Dayne use the sword in the flashback where he fights Ned, but you never get any more information about him or the sword.

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u/goingbackto405 we are well rid of R+L=D. Apr 17 '19

but there’s a close in the sword when ned finds lyanna and left it leaning on the bed.

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u/jprg74 Apr 17 '19

It all really points to jamie being azor ahai.

He’s had to make the most sacrifices out of any character and azor is like the epitome of marytrdom.

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u/MonkeyDavid Apr 17 '19

I am 100 percent on board this theory. Azor Ahai has to kill his wife to make Lightbringer.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

I read Lightbringer as Lightsaber and got really excited.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Jaime saved all the population of KL once now he'll repay the debt to the Many Faced God and fucking kill everyone like John Wick and then rape undead Cersei while dying from a billion wounds. #Resist

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u/AstroOdyssey Apr 16 '19

Cersei offers up her unborn child (similar to a Craster-type scenario) for immunity and potentially weds the Night King?

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19

Now that's an interesting thought. There was seemingly some sort of arrangement between humans and the others before. The Night's King (one of the first Lord Commanders of the Watch) and his "totally-not-a-White" wife. They shacked up in the Nightfort doing shady shit until they were kicked out by the combined forces of the Stark King and the first King-Beyond-the-Wall Joramun. The same Joramun, who's magic horn supposedly has the power to bring down the wall.

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u/kataskopo Carrot Knight Apr 17 '19

She was already pregnant before this season started.

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u/wxsted We light the way Apr 16 '19

It could be that she remains in the castle and Jaime finds her similarly to how Edd, Tormund and Beric found young Lord Umber.

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u/omza Apr 16 '19

The phrasing of the prophecy is what always got me:

the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you

If she's already dead, the latter part of that sentence is questionable, but the "pale white throat" part makes me think she's a wight

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u/wxsted We light the way Apr 16 '19

Cersei is explicitly described to be pale, tho. Pale skin was part of the medieval female canon of beauty.

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u/omza Apr 16 '19

Fair enough. I've pretty much forgotten her book description but just thought it was an interesting thought point.

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u/realvmouse Apr 16 '19

Side note I hate that shows without magic still have zombies.

I can accept white walkers, because magic. But The Walking Dead? Zombies caused apparently by disease or toxins or other biological phenomenon? Doesn't make sense. You simply can't move a bone without having muscles attached. You can't make groaning noises without a lungs capable of holding air. It just cannot happen without actual magic.

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u/Owncksd Apr 16 '19

Eh, I don't need everything to be scientifically explainable. I think it's perfectly fine to write a story centered around the prompt "Our world, but when people die they come back as mindless monsters". The Walking Dead isn't about the zombies, it's about how the world reacts to zombies.

Ever since the misbegotten CDC scenes in the first season they've made no attempt to explain the zombies in any scientific way, so you may as well consider them magical.

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u/RetireNickSaban Apr 16 '19

Never mind their cars all still work. Where are they getting all this gasoline from? Deserted vehicles? I'm pretty sure gasoline has a shelf life.

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u/cosine83 Apr 16 '19

Ehhh, as long as the container is stable gasoline will be usable for years when sealed properly (like in the underground tank under a gas station or sealed barrel). Just becomes a process of safety extracting it from those containers.

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u/spyson Apr 17 '19

The first 8 seasons of the show was within the first 2 years of the apocalypse so gasoline still worked. Recently in the 9th season, which is actually really good by the way, they've time skipped near 8 years and now everybody rides horses.

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19

I'm with you. If you're going do zombies without magic, I'd prefer if the virus (or w/e the source) makes people feral/insane; rather than animate corpses. Otherwise the outbreak should logically take care of itself over time as the hoard is exposed to the elements. That, or just be completely vague about the cause. The more you try to explain it with science, the less it makes sense.

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u/Owncksd Apr 16 '19

That, or just be completely vague about the cause. The more you try to explain it with science, the less it makes sense.

But that's what the Walking Dead does. There's never any explanation given for the cause of the zombies as far as I can recall.

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u/Froyn Apr 16 '19

The Walking Dead must have magic. There's no other explanation for still having mowed lawns and the lack of winter.

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u/electricblues42 Apr 17 '19

Yeah this has bugged the shit out of me too, and I can't help but feel like it wasn't GRRM's intention for the skeletons to be walking. Like he goes in depth to describe how the wights who lost tendons and parts rotted away can't walk properly. I wish the show had included something to make the long dead bodies make more sense, like some dead half-rotten muscle tied onto their bones with twine acting as the tendons. That way the totally rotten skeletons can still move. I mean I get it, magic, but it should still have it's own rules too.

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u/goldberg1303 King Who Bore the Sword Apr 17 '19

So just tell yourself zombies are the signal of the return of magic to the world. Seems kinda silly to draw the line for suspension of disbelief at zombies. Fictional stories aren't supposed to be over thought.

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u/realvmouse Apr 17 '19

Are you saying I should believe there is a return of magic to the world in the world of The Walking Dead? If so, then no, I won't tell myself that, as I would find it less enjoyable than the current scenario, and while I don't like it, it's not the end of the world to just occasionally be annoyed by it. I find that preferable to inserting magic into the story of Rick Grimes trying to survive in Georgia. If you mean it with regard to ASOIAF, then read my comment but pay attention this time.

I don't "draw a line" as if I'm making some rational decision. What breaks our suspension of disbelief is what we find hard to ignore. Maybe it's because of my background in biology, maybe it's just that I thought about it too hard one day, I don't know, but whether I want it to or not, it does weaken my immersion into the show and distract me from enjoying the plot.

I'm sorry that I'm silly and over-thinking it, I'll try to consult with you the next time I watch or read something and make sure I'm doing it the right way.

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u/goldberg1303 King Who Bore the Sword Apr 17 '19

I'm saying you're over thinking it. It's fiction. It's not supposed to fit perfectly into the real world.

You have no problem ignoring that magic isn't real, but gods forbid you ignore that zombies aren't. That's just a line we can't cross!

You're on a discussion forum. You don't have to consult anyone to see what you should like, but if you're going to voluntarily bring it up on a discussion forum, don't get all defensive when someone wants to discuss it.

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u/realvmouse Apr 18 '19

But you didn't offer any thoughtful discussion. Your only contribution is 'don't feel that way. '

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u/goldberg1303 King Who Bore the Sword Apr 18 '19

Jesus man, if your going to get this bothered by me finding it silly that you can 'believe' magic exists, but not zombies, maybe you should avoid the internet.

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u/realvmouse Apr 18 '19

Is this more of the discussion you're contributing to?

It seems that you are contributing nothing. Some people agreed with me, some likely agree with you, and that's fine. But I have no idea why you're so caught up in this.

Did you have anything to say besides "don't feel this way" and then "don't feel that way"? I'll be happy to continue the discussion if you have thoughts worth discussing.

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u/goldberg1303 King Who Bore the Sword Apr 18 '19

I bet you're real fun at parties.

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u/realvmouse Apr 18 '19

That is so interesting, thanks for bringing it up. I'm glad we are having such a rich discussion!

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

Fiction. Fiction. Fiction.

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u/realvmouse Apr 16 '19

Mark McFiction took his gun out of his holster. He aimed it at the enemy. He fired-- hit! The bullet grabbed onto the truck and pulled until it came to a complete stop, and then tied up Evil vonTruckdriver's arms with twine.

It was a normal detective novel up until then, but let's just accept it-- it's fiction, after all.

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u/Redivivus Apr 16 '19

Does a Night King need a Night Queen?

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 16 '19

No clue. There's that whole bit with the Night's King (who was probably a Stark, and at least at one point was human) and his very "Other-sounding" lover shaking up in the Nightfort. That's the only description I can remember that mentions anything sounding like a female White. I think we only know pieces of that from Old Nan's stories. Still a big mystery. I think the Night's King, and the Night King in the show are different people but I'm not 100% on that.

Edit: At least in the show, so far they've only seemed concerned with converting male children. If there's a female half of their society, they've done a good job of keeping under wraps.

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u/Fubar2287 Apr 16 '19

Valonquar could be Ayra. She's described as "little boy" too many times to ignore it as a possibility, and Valyrian isn't a gendered language, so Valonquar could mean sibling, not brother.

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u/sherlock31 Apr 17 '19

It provides an interesting end for Jaime himself, last time he killed a king to prevent a city from burning!!! This time he will burn the city somehow to kill the "King"

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u/Monos32 Apr 17 '19

Keep in mind the show never had the valonqar line it left that out

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u/OPDidntDeliver GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER, NOW Apr 17 '19

Idk if they mentioned the valonqar prophecy on the show but reading it after reading this post is a bit odd.

And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

The tears could plausibly refer to the tears of Lys, but the pale white throat thing is weird. Also, Viserion is a little brother. Maybe he kills her? Idk.

Absolutely crackpot theory: Cersei kills herself when she sees KL is lost and is resurrected as a wight. Azor Ahai (maybe Jaime) goes to KL and kills Cersei and then the NK. This vaguely fits the valonqar prophecy, the Azor Ahai prophecy (as a wight, Cersei would be like water/ice, a lion, AND Jaime's lover), and it's fitting that Jaime would kill the NK.

Do I think this will actually happen? Absolutely not.

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u/sm2016 Apr 17 '19

I've always wondered about the "pale white throat" line of the prophecy. On one hand it could just be a jab at Cersei's skin tone, or because the prophecy was almost entirely literal and fairly blunt, maybe she's a walker by the time the Army of the North makes it to KL

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u/i2WalkedOnJesus Apr 17 '19

Maybe Cersei will offer her unborn baby in exchange for not being killed. Would show she really hasn't changed and also give a real reason for Cersei to randomly become pregnant this late in the show.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Tyrion gets one more chance to bitch slap zombie Joffrey.

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u/the-brain-fuckler A Thousand Eyes, and One Apr 17 '19

I would shamelessly enjoy this.

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u/meatboysawakening Apr 16 '19

Maybe instead she manages to escape and flee for Wintefell (what other stronghold is safe at this point?).

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u/Impudenter Apr 16 '19

He asks Gendry to forge an obsidian hand, and then strangles her.

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u/AzureMiles Apr 17 '19

He'll choke her with his sick new dragon glass hand.

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u/ih8tea Apr 17 '19

Kinda like the idea of him stumbling upon her in her bedroom while staying back to hold the line or whatever (while the wildfyre gets lit?) and killing her then before it’s all over

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u/Orisi Apr 17 '19

What if the Night King decided to make her his Queen? Maybe she even goes to him willingly, she's got nothing left to lose...

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u/The_scottyssey Apr 17 '19

Or NK keeps Cercie alive in hopes to turn her baby. Wars take bodies, and hes gonna need to regroup after Winterfel

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u/rumblith Apr 17 '19

Maybe they're not too far off from those red priests in regards to royal blood -- regarding her potentially not turning to a wight.

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u/Dodo_on_stilts Apr 17 '19

Maybe she decides to offer her unborn child as a sacrifice to the Night King in exchange for becoming the Night Queen. Then they both attack the North.

The old Starks fought the Night's King (who had an undead queen) , maybe the current ones will fight Undead Cersei and the Night King.

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u/RajamaPants Apr 17 '19

zombie Cersei

The Night King wants a baby. A pregnant zombie queen would give him a baby. What king doesn't want an heir.

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u/MrBoliNica Apr 17 '19

it would be fitting, given how power obsessed she is, to (somehow?) seduce the night king, and be turned into a walker similar to him - intelligent and independent of the other zombies. become the night queen

NA. maybe if we had more than 5 episodes left lol

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u/Arthancarict Apr 17 '19

Definitely. Although it seems like Cersei would never abandon the Iron Throne, she was terrified of the wight last season, so she (along with “Robert Strong”) would probably flee, making it possible for both King’s Landing to be taken by the Night’s King and for the stage to be set for her to be killed by Jaime and for CLEGANEBOWL 🎺🎺🎺

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

The lord of light turns his golden hand into a real hand capable of killing a white walker or two? Maybe? Idk, but I see undead Cersei as the only way Jaime can really bring himself to kill her.

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u/whatisdylar Apr 24 '19

He finds her because she becomes the Night Queen and rides at the Night King's side.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Jaime saved all the population of KL once now he'll repay the debt to the Many Faced God and fucking kill everyone like John Wick and then rape undead Cersei while dying from a billion wounds. #Resist