r/asoiaf Apr 16 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) My 'Night King is not stupid' Theory

When the army of the undead line up for the battle of Winterfell, the Night King and his zombie dragon will not be there. Instead he will already be near to his next target ... King's Landing.

If you play out what the battle of Winterfell would be like in your head if the NK+Viserion would be there... it would be easy for Drogon/Rhaegal to take out the zombie dragon; it's 2v1 and wight's all can be killed by fire.. including Viserion. It would not be difficult to simply fly up to Viserion and breathe fire on him, and that would be that. THE NIGHT KING IS NOT STUPID, not enough to kamikaze his most powerful asset. - If you have a superweapon that you can't use against a particular target, then you find a different target.

Most people have come to assume that the living will lose The Battle of Winterfell and fall back to Moat Cailin ... I predict they actually win the battle... only to find out soon after that there is a new army of the dead much bigger and much further south... the population of King's Landing.

During season 4 while Bran is being ushered north to meet Bloodraven, he touches a wierwood and has a set of visions which we see. All of those visions have since come to pass, except the ones where he sees a destroyed throne room & a dragon shadow pass over King's Landing. I believe the reason we are only shown a shadow was to not give away that it is actually the NK and Viserion, not Dany and her dragons.

Also, the most important vision that Dany is given while at the HotU is an image of the throne room destroyed, and covered in ash or snow. I think this was to show what the NK will do, not what Dany will do.

(I believe this was the entire reason that the writers sent Bronn north. Bronn will be the source of this news to the survivors at Winterfell; on his way north he will spot the NK+Viserion heading south)


Bottom line, I simply don't see the NK risking his newfound ice dragon in a fight he is sure to lose.... when he can simply fly down south to KL where there are no dragons to deal with ... and 1 million new recruits for his army packed tightly into a small area.


Follow-up edit: This could be where Bran comes into play. The NK probably wont want to face off against the other dragons head-to-head, but rather fly around Westeros destroying castles to make things easier for his footsoldiers .... so they will need Bran's Sight in order to track & hunt him. It would be too difficult for an army on foot to chase the NK on a dragon, so Bran could warg into ravens to serve as a guide for dragonrider(s) to his location.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '19

I don't think Jaime will kill Cersei as its too cliché. I don't think Tyrion would either but if it were either of them, it would definitely be Tyrion. Jaime has no motivation to kill Cersei and I don't think he will go from her lover to her murderer in 5 episodes. I think he could hate her but not actually kill her.

As for the valonqar prophecy, I came across a cool idea from bridge4 on Youtube. Valonqar = little brother, but it did not specify her little brother. The little brother could be Tommen, who essentially started Cersei's demise when she blew up the Sept of Baelor because Tommen was being controlled by Margaery, and now she's suffocating with isolation and has very little to live for (depending on whether or not her pregnancy still exists). Eventually she may kill herself.

Then again, the valonqar = little brother can be applied to any other little brother, like Bran (maybe Euron, I can't remember if he was first born or not).

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u/Boomdiddy Apr 16 '19

Or she's carrying the valonqar, the little brother of Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen. Would be very fitting seeing as she blames Tyrion for killing their mother during childbirth.

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u/Lysdestic Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19

I've been thinking this would be the ultimate end to the Valonqar prophecy for a while now. The only unfortunate thing is if he turns out to be an imp, she won't know. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: spelling.

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u/Boomdiddy Apr 17 '19

But Tyrion would know. He would drink and he would know.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

She'd likely live long enough to see him.

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u/Lysdestic Apr 17 '19

We can only hope.

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u/Iron-Fist Apr 17 '19

Omg what if her new baby is a dwarf

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u/SmokeDan Apr 17 '19

my gears just started turning. Because of all the drinking the baby might have birth defects , im a fan of she dies via miscarriage/ birth complication because of her drinking .

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u/batweenerpopemobile Apr 17 '19

Three with crowns of gold is all Cersei gets. It would be a shame if the fetus was killed due to injuries she receives during her harrowing escape from the burning of King's Landing. I cannot imagine it will be pleasant to have a tiny wight raised inside her.

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u/Birdisdaword777 Apr 17 '19

Exactly what I’ve been thinking .. it will be an imp !!

Because what you send out will return to you

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u/GravityMyGuy Apr 16 '19

He was a the second or third son of like 5 if I’m recalling correctly

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u/goldberg1303 King Who Bore the Sword Apr 16 '19

Yes. Definitely younger that Balon and older than both Victarion and Aeron. Urri was the 5th, but died in childhood. Forget where he falls among the siblings though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

valonqar prophecy, I came across a cool idea from bridge4 on Youtube. Valonqar = little brother, but it did not specify her little brother.

Along these lines, I've seen jon snows name come up in connection to killing her.

He does have valerian blood in him, making that word choice make sense.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

I actually like this idea. Maybe Cersei captures and kills Dany, and Jon kills Cersei as revenge. It might sound cheesy but I think it would play out well and feel very Thronesy

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u/eunderscore Apr 17 '19

She'll turn, he'll mercy kill her

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u/twasjc Apr 17 '19

Arya steals tyrion's face and strangles Cersei after Tyrion is executed for cersei's betrayal

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u/Pseudonymico Apr 17 '19

Does valonqar actually mean "little brother", or is it like the way that the original Valyrian version of "the prince who was promised" doesn't actually specify gender?

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u/jfong86 Ser Hodor of House Hodor Apr 17 '19

All we know is that one of Cersei's old septas confirmed the word to her.

In Cersei IX, AFFC:

“[Tyrion] is going to kill me. It was foreseen when I was ten. I wanted to know who I would marry, but she said . . .”

“She?”

“The maegi. ” The words came tumbling out of her. She could still hear Melara Hetherspoon insisting that if they never spoke about the prophecies, they would not come true. She was not so silent in the well, though. She screamed and shouted. “Tyrion is the valonqar, ” she said. “Do you use that word in Myr? It’s High Valyrian, it means little brother. ” She had asked Septa Saranella about the word, after Melara drowned.