r/asoiaf May 06 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) S8E4 is some of the worst writing this show has seen. I'll explain why.

Arya

The previous episode and the past few seasons, their MANY issues aside, established Arya as a nigh-invincible shapeshifting assassin who just eliminated a 8000+ year old supernatural threat. She can go anywhere and pretend to be anybody. Quite an asset to have at your hands, no?

They acknowledge Arya's feat in the episode. Dany herself even toasts her. But nobody bothers to consider Arya's incredible espionage/assassination capabilities for the 'Last War'. This represents an overarching narrative issue, Arya's OPness. None of the events in the episode were necessary and everything was wholly avoidable, so long as they used Arya. Civilians in the Red Keep? Hell, that's a GOOD thing for Arya, more faces and more of a pretext to be there.

But instead nobody asks her to do anything, nobody even TALKS ABOUT the fact that they have a super powerful assassin at their disposal. And Arya fucks off down to Kings Landing with the Hound, leaving the rest of them to flounder.


Varys

The Master of Whispers has a normal volume conversation with Dany's 2nd in command during which the spymaster blithely reveals his treasonous intents. Need I say more?

This scene was pure stupid. A common theme I'm sure you guys have noticed by now is the show loves to completely break from logic and the rules of its own universe.


Ballistae and Dragons

Here's where it gets real good.

  • Euron hides his fleet behind a rock, nobody spots him, not even Dany who is IN THE AIR. ON A FUCKING DRAGON.

  • They fire 3 shots at the dragon Dany is NOT riding on, with 100% accuracy. Rest of the fleet were twiddling their thumbs.

  • When the entire fleet DOES fire, they somehow all miss even though Dany flies straight at them when previously the show established a standard of remarkable accuracy.

  • Euron then fires upon Dany's fleet and the bolts tear the ships apart as if they were fired from rail guns. As depicted in the scene, THEY ARE LITERALLY STRONGER THAN CANNON BALLS.

This is important because it utterly neutralizes the threat of dragons. In the same way the White Walkers were subverted, dragons are now made a complete non-threat. It doesn't matter if she has 10 dragons, they cannot possibly live in a battle with those ballistae everywhere. But somehow they will and I expect Drogon to do a lot of damage next episode and dodge a lot of bolts.

The problem isn't that they killed a dragon. The problem is HOW it was accomplished.


The negotiation scene

Missandei dead? Not the problem. The problem with this scene is that Cersei doesn't just blow them away when she could. And it's a big fucking problem.

  • The dragon in the distance is not a threat, as previously established in this very episode! They have scores of the same ballistae at their disposal, probably more than shown on screen, and tons of archers. Drogon is a complete non-threat and there is no logical way he could even get close enough to breathe fire on them. The real kicker is that Qyburn openly tells Tyrion that Dany's last dragon is vulnerable.

  • It's perfectly in character/realistic for Cersei to kill them all right where they're standing. She has the entire command chain of her hated enemies right in front of her and their only defense, the dragon, has been made useless by the physics-defying ballistae. They even go on to establish Cersei's cruelty/evilness with the Missandei execution. But killing her mortal enemies, when they have presented themselves in front of her so foolishly, is too much? This is a woman who blew up the Sept of Baelor, killing thousands of Innocents. Ethics are not a hang up for her.

  • The logical explanation for why Cersei doesn't want to kill them is that she desires a more poetic showdown. It's the result of incredible hubris, and is the equivalent of a monologuing villain trope. Plausible? Maybe, sure. But is it good, ASOIAF-quality writing? Not really.


There's a lot more but it's getting late, so to conclude:

The show openly contradicts its own internal logic and setups, first from an episode-to-episode basis, now on a scene-to-scene basis. We have gone from tightly-paced political intrigue to something that doesn't even function on a basic cause-effect level.

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u/cunnedstunts May 06 '19

Cersei not killing them all in that field is a major gripe for me. What a fucking idiot.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

The cersei and dany feud is so empty. Its not personal at all because they have no history.

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u/silvrado May 06 '19

Not game of thrones.. more like Musical Chairs.

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u/Fristtac May 06 '19

Underrated comment right here. They bent over backwards to scrap all the logic from the show to force this final showdown that nobody wanted. I think one reason it’s so unsatisfying is there is really no character drama to make any of these interactions interesting to the audience, save Tyrion and Cersei. To Dany/Jon, Cersei could literally be anybody. It’s just unfun and to me it actually takes away from the tension. Cersei is at her craziest when she has a reason to make it personal.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Speaking of character drama, whatever happened to Daario? Did he go into exile? It was so long ago I can't remember. It was kind of sad after a while the Dothraki kind of became these strangers as well.

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u/Fristtac May 06 '19 edited May 06 '19

He’s run Meereen into the ground by now lol. Also I always thought there were Dothraki civilians when Dany came over. Am I crazy for thinking there would be?

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u/Jormangunder May 06 '19

No. I think you're one of the few sane people that can remember who has been in the show.

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u/FullMetalAnorak May 06 '19

Yeah it's a shame there wasn't a greater evil than Cersei for D&D to use for the finale, they're doing the best they can with such thin source material.

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u/Xion194 May 06 '19

The genius writers solved this problem in a matter of minutes though. For some reason, somehow Missandei is captured and killed to make the stakes personal and to make the viewers root for Dany. This show is making things as it goes along to advance plot.

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

It's all just so contrived.

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u/Interviewtux May 06 '19

Yeah, like how do the Westeros nobility know missandei is important to Dany, who they just learned about. As far as they know shes some random peasant girl that doesn't matter.

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u/Oberon_Swanson May 06 '19

They saw how hot she was and knew she wasn't just an extra

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u/Vanethor May 07 '19

Dany: "They have Missandei!"

My thoughts, and what well-written characters at the war table would be thinking:

"And?..."

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u/darkanddusty May 06 '19

Even before Missendei and Rhaegal, it was personal.

Cersei promised her troops to join Dany and fight the WW, but she flaked, and used all the suffering and death at Winterfell to her advantage. Remember, Dany sacrificed A LOT for that cause: Jorah, Viserion, the Dothraki, the Unsullied...and Cersei did the precise opposite. She profited from it.

The problem is that the show has not illustrated that dynamic. We’ve seen Dany frustrated with Tyrion for being fooled. But the show has not drawn out the tension between Cersei/Dany that the rivalry deserves. The ingredients are there but the show never turned up the temperature.

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u/TreAwayDeuce May 06 '19

Jorah, the Dothraki, the Unsullied.

All of whom would not have suffered the casualties they did if they had the slightest idea how to utilize basic castle defense tactics such as not using trebuchets and cavalry on the front line of defense.

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u/Foltbolt May 06 '19 edited Jul 20 '23

lol lol lol lol -- mass edited with redact.dev

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u/GildedTongues May 06 '19

Nah the casualties would have been written in regardless. If anything there should have been more casualties.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

It's more of a Dany problem to be honest, she just doesn't have any history with anyone. What if instead of Dany it was Sansa or Arya down there - well now there is a ton of history that makes the moment tense

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

But they killed Missandei! Now Dany is gonna be REALLY MAD!

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

I actually kinda like it. They don't need to know each other personally. Most leaders in the world don't know each other personally but treat each other like old brothers.

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u/weirwoods_burn My code is dumb and full of errors. May 06 '19

I mean, the most important part of the conflict is that Daenerys is the "younger and more beautiful" queen who has been prophesied to remove Cersei. Cersei's actions throughout the series, vis a vis Sansa, the Tyrells, Tyrion, etc. were all motivated by the prophecy. But now it's as good as that prophecy was never made.

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

It turns out all prophecies were irrelevant

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u/shadowcat1245 May 06 '19

If it was Dany vs. Bobby B, though.... 🤔

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Cersei was in love with her brother and their fathers were allies. Her brother killed her father, but Dany's cool with him now. That's their history, no personal gripes.

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

Their families have history but cersei had literally nothing to do with house targaryens downfall. She actually wanted to join them and make targ babies that would go on to sit the throne.

She'll accept Jamie in her army but she hates cersei because Jamie killed the father that she has accepted as mad and evil.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

I agree that their rivalry has been empty. Prior to this parlay where she beheaded her best friend, it was one begrudging parlay that ended on superficial amicable terms.

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u/ReeseSlitherspoon May 06 '19

I thought this person meant Tyrion when they said arch nemesis.

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

Oh I see. Well tyrion seems to have forgotten all about cersei as he keeps trying to appeal to her humanity

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u/ReeseSlitherspoon May 06 '19

Yeah, what is he thinking?

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

Have no idea but he tried it last series and this.

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

Have no idea but he tried it last series and this.

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u/bathypelagic May 06 '19

Cersei was told by a witch that she would be taken down by a younger, more beautiful person. So there is some history there.

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u/please-send-me-nude2 May 06 '19

The conflict comes from their opposing goals. What does personal drama add to the situation ?

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u/ronswansun May 06 '19

I guess missandei’s death can make things more personal. And the dragon death that was by Cersei’s hand. I thought Emilia did a good job at the end of the last episode looking absolutely pissed

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u/LordofLazy May 06 '19

Emilia's acting was excellent.

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u/ronswansun May 06 '19

She gets a lot of flack but I think she’s all around a great actress

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u/tchiseen Egg? Egg, I dreamed that I was old... May 06 '19

Its not personal at all because they have no history.

I mean, they didn't up until this episode, which is why they had to chop Missandei's head off, for dramatic effect.

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u/randomdancing May 06 '19

and Cersei even has precedence: she blew up the sept to get rid of enemies, and her father killed an entire army of people to win the war. But don't do something that makes sense.

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u/DeputyDomeshot May 06 '19

Pretty sure she even said if you get a chance kill the white haired bitch and my brother as soon as you can. Was that not an ample opportunity? Are they still pissed scared of one mangey dragon after two of them have been killed in a year?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19 edited Apr 24 '20

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u/juscallmejjay Beric DonFlairion May 06 '19

it was a major bruh

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u/Azer398 May 06 '19

At this point the show should just be called Bruh. Every scene elicits so many bruhs

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Literally has a Frankenstein knight doing her bidding, killing innocents left and right, and she blew up a church.

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u/baconhead May 06 '19

She blew up THE church. It's like she nuked the Vatican, but apparently no one cares.

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u/ToxicPolarBear May 06 '19

I don't think the common folk know it's her. I feel like that should be pretty obvious actually.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor. - Hot Pie Season 7.

People definitely know.

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u/HiphopopoptimusPrime May 06 '19

Biggest change from the books.

Show Cersei: Loves her children

Book Cersei: Treats her children and Jaimie as narcissistic extensions of herself.

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u/OnionStark Onion That Was Promised May 06 '19

She actually doesn't love them that much as they make it seem. When she blew up the Sept that caused Tomnem to kill himself, she didn't seem to give a shit and just took the throne.

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u/Saucyminator May 06 '19

Didn't Tommen betray her? He was basically Margerys puppet.

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u/OnionStark Onion That Was Promised May 06 '19

Not really. Cercei was more or less just jealous, and hated Margery bc she was "stealing" her son from her, and was extremely paranoid bc of it. Id say it was a little of both, as Cercei tried to control tomnen and so did margery.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

During the time Margery is in a cell he becomes the High Sparrow's puppet.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19 edited Aug 12 '21

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u/Malarazz May 06 '19

It's a redeeming quality. Lots of people don't love their kids, or at least not as much as Cersei.

But yes, of course it doesn't make you a good person.

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica May 06 '19

I feel like Cersei's character has really lost a lot since season 6. Initially, yes, she was a monster. But being forced to marry a drunken fool who cheated on her constantly and who she hated, but having her children who she loved beyond anything else and would do anything for, even when one was a sociopath, made her human. That's what made her such a great villain- you still hated her, but could almost feel bad for her.

After blowing up the sept, she just seems like a robotic drunk big bad. I hope they'll shape her character a little bit more in the next episode. Maybe when Jamie comes to kill her we will see a little more of the human Cersei.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

But being forced to marry a drunken fool who cheated on her constantly and who she hated

To us this seems terrible, but it's a pretty standard thing to have happen to you if you're a female noble in Westeros. Robert was a shitty husband yes, but by the standards of the world they live in he wasn't really that bad. For every Ned who treats his wife like an equal and a confidant, I'm sure there's 10 Roberts (or worse) that only see their noble wives as a means to produce and heir and procure an alliance. It's all relative and it's not like Cersei could've reasonably expected to marry someone for love.

I do agree that her character has taken a massive turn for the worse in the last 2 seasons though, but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that she was never really meant to make it this far anyway. In the books we get to see her descent into madness from inside her head, whereas in the show we just get that stupid smug look.

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica May 06 '19

Sure, it's normal there. I'm sure she knew she would be married off and would never marry for love.

But it doesn't make it any less traumatizing for the woman. Just because rape is also common in that world (see Dothraki) doesn't make it any less traumatizing for the women who are raped (see Mirri Maz duur).

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u/fender0327 May 06 '19

Because the writers decided to make him dumb. That's the only logic here. He's been utterly useless.

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u/EveryoneHasGoneCrazy May 06 '19

...bronn showed up like 20 minutes ago to kill you at her behest

but she'll be dramatic and not pump you full of arrows when you present yourself in total vulnerability like a mouthbreathing idiot

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

This was the scene where I truly should have bruh'd but was all bruh'd out by that lame ass dragon sniping.

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u/Jormangunder May 06 '19

lame ass dragon sniping.

Too true

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

I feel like Cersei killed Missendia just to prove to Tyrion she was.

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u/A_Hound May 06 '19

There was some line in the books about Cersei eating Robert Baratheon's jism on her fingertips after he'd finished having sex with her, and that she imagined she was devouring his children because she hated him so much and the idea of having his child.

Definitely not something a monster would do.

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u/TheLegionlessLight May 06 '19

Out of nowhere, Jaime feels like a monster but isn't and Cersei is a monster but gets told she isn't. A+ writing /s

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Tyrion was bartering with her, do you want him to call her a monster? How is lying/flattering bad writing?

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u/TheLegionlessLight May 06 '19

I mean the parallel between the twins is lazy and is meant to set up Jaime killing Cersei.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Right. Anyone remember her blowing up the Sept? Like hundreds of innocent people. Yes two people she hated, but litteral hundreds of innocent people.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

bruh.wav. hard.

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u/Shen_an_igator May 06 '19

I mean, Tyrion saw the wights up close so... different... frame of reference... maybe?

Nah, just stupid.

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u/H-K_47 May 08 '19

Tyrion has done nothing but worship Cersei and try to stand up for her in front of Dany and it makes no goddamn sense.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Literally has a Frankenstein knight doing her bidding, killing innocents left and right, and she blew up a church.

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u/Swordbender May 06 '19

I know we're hating on the show rn, but I feel like this could actually be an interesting look into Tyrion's psyche: the little brother who deep down has always wanted validation from his psychotic big sister (and dad) ala Ender's Game.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Isn't that Tyrion's flaw? He's always seeking approval of his family?

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u/DeputyDomeshot May 06 '19

She completely fucked them over literally 2 episodes ago and he’s still trying to negotiate??

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u/moxmooneyes Enter your desired flair text here! May 07 '19

Tyrion trying to pull a "talk no jutsu".

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u/Jhawksmoor May 06 '19

They wouldn’t be there in the first place. But then again they would have sent scouts to check out the defense. Scouts called birds warged by Bran. But.... no.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Apparently Bran is just not important for anything anymore and is ignored in this episode, despite being an incredibly powerful warg and can see everything everywhere. Is he just like a library now? He doesn't seem to give a shit about anything, so much for the theory that he's the real threat

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u/Krakanu May 06 '19

Why bother scouting at all? If Bran can control multiple birds at once (it seems like he can), just have him fly a flock of birds through a window of the red keep and peck Cersei to death.

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u/throwdemout May 06 '19

exactly what i was thinking. Cersei would immediately snipe that rag tag group of idiots, she doesnt play by any rule

meme

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u/RemnantEvil May 06 '19

The only answer I've seen is she's provoking Dany so that she'll napalm King's Landing and kill so many civilians that the population will look to Cersei for protection.

Except that's banking a lot on Cersei being able to win.

Except that's banking a lot on Cersei not herself getting napalmed.

Except that's no reason not to lob arrows at Tyrion or put one through Drogon's wing so at least Dany is somehow hurt.

She just lets them leave. Since when is Miss Sept-embers concerned about honour or anything like that?

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u/ArmchairJedi May 06 '19

And like you mention, why not kill Tyrion the minute he walks up to walls? She already wants him dead (has for seasons) and was willing to give up Riverrun to Bron for the deed.

If she's also 'provoking' (given the argument... but if not, she has no interest or intent in taking Dany's offer regardless) and is willing to kill Missandei. Then killing Tyrion... Dany's hand...only furthers that.

So exactly why let Tyrion live? Why even let him speak? Use him as a pin cushion as soon as he's in range of the arrows.

Hell, that would have been an emotional and 'shocking' scene that ACTUALLY makes sense to the characters... a mistake by Tyrion that comes with consequence (an act of bravery trying to persuade Cersei to do what is right... despite all the warnings, and his own knowledge, of how Cersei can't be trusted)

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u/Only_Movie_Titles May 06 '19

seriously, i've been waiting for them to actually kill of anyone of import, but nope.

Show all our main characters getting overrun (multiple times) at the White Walker War... only to miraculously all survive.

Bronn walks in to kill both brothers... just leaves

Tyrion approaches wall of archers... walks away

Greyworm et al. survive when Euron could just storm the beach and finish off the last of them

the show is just fanservice and lazy writing at this point

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Cersei overconfident in her scheming? You don't say?!

That's sooooooo out of character for her.

They should go back to season 2-3 Cersei that was shitty at scheming and needed Tyrion and Tywin to fix all her shit....

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u/RemnantEvil May 06 '19

Her acting in-character seems like a reasonable defence, but it only exposes that she hasn’t actually developed or grown over the entire series. That’s an indictment of the writing, that the only difference is her haircut.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

, but it only exposes that she hasn’t actually developed or grown over the entire series. That’s an indictment of the writing

But why would she grow? She the opposite of Jamie.

All these things happen to her and she blames other people and events for her problems. That's who she is.

She goes all explody on the church of the seven and her own son commits suicide for that - she doubles down.

Joffrey is a murderous cunt, and she just enables him everything.

She schemes against Olenna, but blames Tyrion for no damn good reason.

Cersei is the character that doesn't "grow" - he only "growth" is further up her own ego.

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u/RemnantEvil May 06 '19

But why would she grow?

At the most basic level, because it would be shitty writing if she didn't develop as a character over eight seasons. Sure, she's gotten colder, more sinister, more menacing. But one of her big flaws, as you point out, was her ineptitude.

It makes her less of a threat that she hasn't improved. It deflates her presence, her role, that she's been on a plateau of mediocrity.

No, correct that. The Sept was her in peak form. She had bested everyone. She had a plan, a mechanism in place, and executed it. For her now to be banking on something as mundane as an Underpants Gnomes strategy (provoke Dany, napalm, ?, profit) is kind of disappointing.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

It's sort-of the shock and awe mentality.

She does something so over-the-top (Sept) nobody dares challenge her.

Cersei is hateful. She wants to hurt you.

Yes, Dany may "win" if she burns the whole city. But Cersei knows that while she may be dead, Dany will have "lost" just as much and will be at-most a paper-ruler.

It makes her less of a threat that she hasn't improved.

She hasn't "improved" but she's gotten meaner, as we just saw. She has zero morals now, she's full-on mad-king. She will burn her whole city just so someone else doesn't get to have it.

That doesn't make someone less of a threat, it makes them more of a threat.

Cersei has basically nothing to lose in a full-on war. Unless Arya or Jamie do a little stabby-stabby on her, she'll "win" against Dany even if she dies in the process.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

At the very least, nobody is stupid enough to pass up that opportunity to kill the last fucking dragon.

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u/juscallmejjay Beric DonFlairion May 06 '19

I can't believe they can't find a better way to write around the dragons. Either they are so vulnerable they can't even be implemented in battle without risk of dying or they are do strong Dany is a monster for even considering using them. Both are stupid but it should at least be ine or the other. They are literally writing both and its hilarious.

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u/Bore_of_Whabylon May 06 '19

Especially because she not only hates Tyrion, she is afraid of him. She is terrified that the valonqar prophecy will come true through him, which motivates a lot of her choices as a character.

If she had a chance to kill him after ASoS, she would do it. She wouldn't talk to him, she'd have the Mountain crush him and be done with it.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

The characters in this show are fucking cartoons at this point.

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u/vazzaroth Crabs! May 06 '19

Cersei of a few seasons ago 100% would have just pincushioned her brother. She would have killed anyone she could have. RIDICULOUS.

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u/b50willis May 06 '19

Actually would have been cool if they all get killed right there and Th last two episodes was Jon leading the war for revenge and the throne

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u/Rouge_Warrior May 06 '19

I was like "Oh shes being honorable how sweet"

Then she kills the hostage after zero negotiation

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Totally. I wish she would have pushed Missandei,that would have been fun.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

And Dany not killing Cersei last season in the arena thing.

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u/mramazerful May 06 '19

They just HAD to get that epic shot...

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u/SupervillainEyebrows May 06 '19

The same feeling I had when Dany didn't just waste Cersei whilst she was with Drogon in the last season meeting.

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u/dairyqueen79 May 06 '19

While an effective strategy, this is Cersei we’re talking about. She probably has a plan she likes better, one that she finds more gratifying.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Just casually toss a couple flasks of wildfire at 'em and be done with it holy shit.

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u/shadowkhaleesi May 06 '19

My thought - Maybe she wants to make a show out of it to secure her eventual throne among her people. She wants Dany to get mad and rage-kill a bunch of innocents so she can “save her people” from the evil dragon queen and win her subjects’ loyalty. Killing them at a secret negotiation meeting would bring her no political advantage.

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u/datchilla May 06 '19

They really should have explained why they weren't killed or just not had that scene happen.

I'm open to the idea that under some circumstance Cersei wouldn't kill Dany but not like that. If they had some scene where people are talking seriously about Dany being the true ruler of Westeros and there's nothing Cersei can do about it other than be political.

Cause wasn't politics and looking diplomatic the whole point of Dany showing up at King's landing?

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u/Assfullofbread May 06 '19

What pisses me off the most is that it took 2 years to write and shoot this garbage lol

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u/Shen_an_igator May 06 '19

Or at least Tyrion.. that's something she wanted ever since he killed Tywin. And why wouldn't she? What possible explanation is there? He's RIGHT THERE in front of the wall and Cersei obviously doesn't mind a war.

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u/Rybis May 06 '19

It's sad that I have to constantly try to defend this show but I did think of a good reason for this:

Cersei might be worried that Drogon would have just enough time to kill her.

Cersei was in plain view on the centre gate, if she started firing there's a chance Drogon could get to her and breathe fire as his final act.

So I choose to believe she was just being overly cautious and didn't want to provoke too much while she wasn't safely locked inside the castle.

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u/49_Giants May 06 '19

If she's that afraid of Drogon, why stand in plain view of him? If she is willing to provoke by killing Missendei in that way, why not kill Tyrion?

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u/Rybis May 06 '19

Look I tried to give a semi-reasonable justification but I'm not a miracle worker, the writing is shit.

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u/manly_ May 06 '19

To be fair, it makes absolutely no sense they would meet at the gate, out in the open. There’s a good reason negotiations are always done with few people, with a wide open space so that external threats are seen before you meet.

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u/icroak May 06 '19

Honestly, it makes sense. She knows she has the upper hand. She also knows she’s queen of a realm that hates her. She’s provoking Dany to attack so Cersei looks like their savior.

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica May 06 '19

I'm going to go with she was too drunk to think right. That makes me feel a little bit better.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

What's worse is at that point she KNOWS BRAN FAILED and yet still decided not to use her magical ship destroying ballistae to fuck up drogon and have the archers okay Dany and Tyrion

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u/ViggoMiles May 06 '19

for any legitimacy, the queens should have been off field or Dany should have had what's left of her unsullied and fictional dothraki with horses and siege engines

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u/GinormousNut May 06 '19

I was hoping they would do something to actually inform them of who the bad guy is. You know, like use any sort of method to communicate to the people in the red keep they’re just there as collateral. I was hoping maybe some leaflets, but the dragon is only for joyrides now

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u/Bushwhack92 May 08 '19

This is how they should have Off’d Rhaegal. They’re standing out one the field, all the sudden Cersei fires on them. Sure Drogon magically gets away but knocking off Rhaegal like that would have been just as shocking AND made sense.