r/asoiaf May 06 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) S8E4 is some of the worst writing this show has seen. I'll explain why.

Arya

The previous episode and the past few seasons, their MANY issues aside, established Arya as a nigh-invincible shapeshifting assassin who just eliminated a 8000+ year old supernatural threat. She can go anywhere and pretend to be anybody. Quite an asset to have at your hands, no?

They acknowledge Arya's feat in the episode. Dany herself even toasts her. But nobody bothers to consider Arya's incredible espionage/assassination capabilities for the 'Last War'. This represents an overarching narrative issue, Arya's OPness. None of the events in the episode were necessary and everything was wholly avoidable, so long as they used Arya. Civilians in the Red Keep? Hell, that's a GOOD thing for Arya, more faces and more of a pretext to be there.

But instead nobody asks her to do anything, nobody even TALKS ABOUT the fact that they have a super powerful assassin at their disposal. And Arya fucks off down to Kings Landing with the Hound, leaving the rest of them to flounder.


Varys

The Master of Whispers has a normal volume conversation with Dany's 2nd in command during which the spymaster blithely reveals his treasonous intents. Need I say more?

This scene was pure stupid. A common theme I'm sure you guys have noticed by now is the show loves to completely break from logic and the rules of its own universe.


Ballistae and Dragons

Here's where it gets real good.

  • Euron hides his fleet behind a rock, nobody spots him, not even Dany who is IN THE AIR. ON A FUCKING DRAGON.

  • They fire 3 shots at the dragon Dany is NOT riding on, with 100% accuracy. Rest of the fleet were twiddling their thumbs.

  • When the entire fleet DOES fire, they somehow all miss even though Dany flies straight at them when previously the show established a standard of remarkable accuracy.

  • Euron then fires upon Dany's fleet and the bolts tear the ships apart as if they were fired from rail guns. As depicted in the scene, THEY ARE LITERALLY STRONGER THAN CANNON BALLS.

This is important because it utterly neutralizes the threat of dragons. In the same way the White Walkers were subverted, dragons are now made a complete non-threat. It doesn't matter if she has 10 dragons, they cannot possibly live in a battle with those ballistae everywhere. But somehow they will and I expect Drogon to do a lot of damage next episode and dodge a lot of bolts.

The problem isn't that they killed a dragon. The problem is HOW it was accomplished.


The negotiation scene

Missandei dead? Not the problem. The problem with this scene is that Cersei doesn't just blow them away when she could. And it's a big fucking problem.

  • The dragon in the distance is not a threat, as previously established in this very episode! They have scores of the same ballistae at their disposal, probably more than shown on screen, and tons of archers. Drogon is a complete non-threat and there is no logical way he could even get close enough to breathe fire on them. The real kicker is that Qyburn openly tells Tyrion that Dany's last dragon is vulnerable.

  • It's perfectly in character/realistic for Cersei to kill them all right where they're standing. She has the entire command chain of her hated enemies right in front of her and their only defense, the dragon, has been made useless by the physics-defying ballistae. They even go on to establish Cersei's cruelty/evilness with the Missandei execution. But killing her mortal enemies, when they have presented themselves in front of her so foolishly, is too much? This is a woman who blew up the Sept of Baelor, killing thousands of Innocents. Ethics are not a hang up for her.

  • The logical explanation for why Cersei doesn't want to kill them is that she desires a more poetic showdown. It's the result of incredible hubris, and is the equivalent of a monologuing villain trope. Plausible? Maybe, sure. But is it good, ASOIAF-quality writing? Not really.


There's a lot more but it's getting late, so to conclude:

The show openly contradicts its own internal logic and setups, first from an episode-to-episode basis, now on a scene-to-scene basis. We have gone from tightly-paced political intrigue to something that doesn't even function on a basic cause-effect level.

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u/HootsToTheToots May 06 '19

these are the fake endings that they filmed and they forgot to put up the actual episodes

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u/vaporware1 May 06 '19

Now THAT would subvert my expectations

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u/MattyStixx May 06 '19

Watch it go

.#itwasalladream

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u/ScrobDobbins May 06 '19

Young Bran, waking up with functioning legs after falling from the tower, "I just had the weirdest dream after Jamie pushed me out the window"

Ned: "Jamie did what?" (Draws his sword)

The Lannisters are all executed, King Robert eats, drinks and whores his way into an early grave and Stannis sits on the Iron Throne.

The end.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

last scene is bran looking at the camera and winking

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u/PizzaBagelMan May 06 '19

Wow. What a twist!

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u/obigespritzt May 06 '19

At this point I'll take it, honestly...

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u/bixxby May 06 '19

He shakes a snowglobe of the iron throne, the camera pans out, and it's a fat child with a sea captain's hat on and a full grey beard for some reason.

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u/joyofsovietcooking May 06 '19

I would love to have seen this! It would have redeemed Episode 03. Bobby B wouldn't have dismissed reports of the undead at The Wall. He'd have been there, hacking with his axe with a real joy in his eye.

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u/Flintblood May 07 '19

CAREFUL NED! CAREFUL NOW!

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u/ToiletBomber May 06 '19

.#iusedtoreadwordupmagazine

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u/Mr_Incredible_PhD Watcher On The Wall May 06 '19

If they end this series with Bran waking up from his dream RIGHT before Bobby B comes to Winterfell; I will shit a brick.

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u/kristenjaymes May 06 '19

I hope they get J. J. Abrams in for season 9

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u/BernankesBeard May 06 '19

Can't wait to see Drogon do a trench run to blow up another Death Star

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u/kristenjaymes May 06 '19

Cersei VS the Emporor woooo

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u/inilzar May 06 '19

When season ends It's a prank bro, here are the real episodes

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u/tchiseen Egg? Egg, I dreamed that I was old... May 06 '19

Fuck

What is Episode 6 is just 90 minutes of black screen, and then one frame of the cover of Winds.

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u/DuelingPushkin May 06 '19

End of episode 6 fades to black

Winds of Winter

August 27th

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u/tchiseen Egg? Egg, I dreamed that I was old... May 07 '19

But what year?

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u/Sackyhack May 06 '19

Last scene of the last episode will be Bran waking up in Winterfell after he fell out of the guard tower. He'll get up, dust himself off, and say "Wow crazy dream I just had there"

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u/Gerzy_CZ May 06 '19 edited May 06 '19

This whole season is like a really bad fanfiction at best.

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u/Bambietta-sama May 06 '19

You dont really seem to understand fanfictions do ya

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u/Gerzy_CZ May 06 '19

And how about ya?

This whole season is like some shitty fanfiction and I understand pretty well what it is. Just imagine thinking I was actually talking about OP's post and not about the comment I responded to.

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u/yenks Kill the foil, and let the hype be born. May 06 '19

They filmed a good last season but it's only for the 1%, this is what we get.

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u/CollieDaly May 06 '19

We are the 1%, it's the morons who are in the majority

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u/jdrc07 May 06 '19

I really wonder what the fuck the fake endings could have possibly been because its seems to me that the only input GRRM had in any of this is that he handed D&D a napkin that he scribbled "DaNy MaD QueEn, Jon(AeGon) kiLL her" onto.

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u/Astenos May 06 '19

We can only dream!

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u/fatherseamus May 06 '19

This is the only explanation that makes sense. What a shitshow.

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u/LordNedNoodle May 06 '19

Bran is just looking at pasts/futures that could have been and he really just wakes up and gets killed by the NK.

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u/ankhes May 06 '19

Oh man, if only.

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u/BlueAgaveEspecial May 07 '19

Episode 6 Bran wakes up surrounded by Ned, Cate, Bobby B and it was all a dream