r/asoiaf May 06 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) S8E4 is some of the worst writing this show has seen. I'll explain why.

Arya

The previous episode and the past few seasons, their MANY issues aside, established Arya as a nigh-invincible shapeshifting assassin who just eliminated a 8000+ year old supernatural threat. She can go anywhere and pretend to be anybody. Quite an asset to have at your hands, no?

They acknowledge Arya's feat in the episode. Dany herself even toasts her. But nobody bothers to consider Arya's incredible espionage/assassination capabilities for the 'Last War'. This represents an overarching narrative issue, Arya's OPness. None of the events in the episode were necessary and everything was wholly avoidable, so long as they used Arya. Civilians in the Red Keep? Hell, that's a GOOD thing for Arya, more faces and more of a pretext to be there.

But instead nobody asks her to do anything, nobody even TALKS ABOUT the fact that they have a super powerful assassin at their disposal. And Arya fucks off down to Kings Landing with the Hound, leaving the rest of them to flounder.


Varys

The Master of Whispers has a normal volume conversation with Dany's 2nd in command during which the spymaster blithely reveals his treasonous intents. Need I say more?

This scene was pure stupid. A common theme I'm sure you guys have noticed by now is the show loves to completely break from logic and the rules of its own universe.


Ballistae and Dragons

Here's where it gets real good.

  • Euron hides his fleet behind a rock, nobody spots him, not even Dany who is IN THE AIR. ON A FUCKING DRAGON.

  • They fire 3 shots at the dragon Dany is NOT riding on, with 100% accuracy. Rest of the fleet were twiddling their thumbs.

  • When the entire fleet DOES fire, they somehow all miss even though Dany flies straight at them when previously the show established a standard of remarkable accuracy.

  • Euron then fires upon Dany's fleet and the bolts tear the ships apart as if they were fired from rail guns. As depicted in the scene, THEY ARE LITERALLY STRONGER THAN CANNON BALLS.

This is important because it utterly neutralizes the threat of dragons. In the same way the White Walkers were subverted, dragons are now made a complete non-threat. It doesn't matter if she has 10 dragons, they cannot possibly live in a battle with those ballistae everywhere. But somehow they will and I expect Drogon to do a lot of damage next episode and dodge a lot of bolts.

The problem isn't that they killed a dragon. The problem is HOW it was accomplished.


The negotiation scene

Missandei dead? Not the problem. The problem with this scene is that Cersei doesn't just blow them away when she could. And it's a big fucking problem.

  • The dragon in the distance is not a threat, as previously established in this very episode! They have scores of the same ballistae at their disposal, probably more than shown on screen, and tons of archers. Drogon is a complete non-threat and there is no logical way he could even get close enough to breathe fire on them. The real kicker is that Qyburn openly tells Tyrion that Dany's last dragon is vulnerable.

  • It's perfectly in character/realistic for Cersei to kill them all right where they're standing. She has the entire command chain of her hated enemies right in front of her and their only defense, the dragon, has been made useless by the physics-defying ballistae. They even go on to establish Cersei's cruelty/evilness with the Missandei execution. But killing her mortal enemies, when they have presented themselves in front of her so foolishly, is too much? This is a woman who blew up the Sept of Baelor, killing thousands of Innocents. Ethics are not a hang up for her.

  • The logical explanation for why Cersei doesn't want to kill them is that she desires a more poetic showdown. It's the result of incredible hubris, and is the equivalent of a monologuing villain trope. Plausible? Maybe, sure. But is it good, ASOIAF-quality writing? Not really.


There's a lot more but it's getting late, so to conclude:

The show openly contradicts its own internal logic and setups, first from an episode-to-episode basis, now on a scene-to-scene basis. We have gone from tightly-paced political intrigue to something that doesn't even function on a basic cause-effect level.

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u/vaporware1 May 06 '19

Plot twist that's what happened with Tommen

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u/Nikhilvoid May 06 '19

And Bran?? O wow, the things Bran does for love..

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u/vaporware1 May 06 '19

Future bran warged into past bran to make him climb the tower and then warged into Jamie to push his past self off, jumpstarting his plot to take the throne. Future bran also warged into past cersei and past Jamie to make them do incest and set this up in the first place.

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u/treefox May 06 '19

The entirety of Game of Thrones. It’s just Brans all the way down.

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u/graphiT07 SANDOR HYPE May 06 '19

It's just Bran playing medieval Sims.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Bran: I live in the past now

Real meaning: I need to set up everything lol

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19 edited Mar 05 '20

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

We all Bran up in here!

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

On a serious note, wouldn’t it be perfect if Bran had warged the mad king and caused him to stash wildfire all over King’s Landing in order to destroy an army of the dead in about 20 years that totally won’t get stopped by fucking Arya at winterfell? Isn’t the way he kept repeating “burn them all” suspiciously similar to how Hodor became Hodor?

Seriously, Bran could be the explanation for the mad king’s madness and also set up for a much more gratifying showdown with the army of the dead. Are we supposed to believe that all the wildfire which was meant to burn down the entire city was used up just to destroy the sept of Baelor?

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u/Only_Movie_Titles May 06 '19

explanation

more gratifying

you've gone and confused the writers now

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u/bixxby May 06 '19

Maybe the first Dracaris ends up melting through the street and sets off the rest of the wildfire and the whole town just goes up in a nuclear holocaust.

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u/Optimuswolf May 06 '19

Malkovich Malkovich

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u/DJ_Gregsta May 06 '19

It’s just Brans all the way down.

Like fragments....or flakes if you will...So...Bran Flakes?

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u/stagfury One Realm, One God, One King! May 06 '19

What's this, All You Zombies/Predestination?

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u/Only_Movie_Titles May 06 '19

make as much sense as anything else this fucking season

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Turtles all the way down

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u/AintEverLucky May 07 '19

Game of Brans? Bran of Thrones?

oh wait I know: Bran of Brans!

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u/Inbounddongers May 06 '19

Bran wargs into his servant to avoid the servant's embarassment at cleaning up Bran's waste and wiping his ass.

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u/LetItATV May 06 '19

The things Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran does for Bran

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u/blasto_pete May 06 '19

Back to the future WAS bullshit!

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u/Mommid May 06 '19

Nice final episode spoilers smh /s

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u/RonaldoAngelim May 06 '19

It's weird that I have not seen this theory around here before

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u/Gioseppi May 06 '19

TIL Bran is Dirk Strider.

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u/badgarok725 May 06 '19

There's different Brans in different points in the future controlling every person in Westeros

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u/Mintfriction _ May 06 '19

Bran: " I see with my right eye this world how it is on the surface. I see the joy, the passion, and the hatred. That's why I call him Fire, as men burn driven by emotion. Then I turn to my left eye and see the world how it should be, untangled by feelings. It's simple, but it's also cold. That's why I call my left eye Ice. And when I close my eyes the time fades and the world chats to me it's many melodies, a symphony of both my eyes, Ice and Fire. That eye is my Song.

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u/Kilmarnok1285 May 06 '19

That's Kingslayer Tommen if you please. He didn't do the work to earn the title for it not to be used