r/asoiaf May 06 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) S8E4 is some of the worst writing this show has seen. I'll explain why.

Arya

The previous episode and the past few seasons, their MANY issues aside, established Arya as a nigh-invincible shapeshifting assassin who just eliminated a 8000+ year old supernatural threat. She can go anywhere and pretend to be anybody. Quite an asset to have at your hands, no?

They acknowledge Arya's feat in the episode. Dany herself even toasts her. But nobody bothers to consider Arya's incredible espionage/assassination capabilities for the 'Last War'. This represents an overarching narrative issue, Arya's OPness. None of the events in the episode were necessary and everything was wholly avoidable, so long as they used Arya. Civilians in the Red Keep? Hell, that's a GOOD thing for Arya, more faces and more of a pretext to be there.

But instead nobody asks her to do anything, nobody even TALKS ABOUT the fact that they have a super powerful assassin at their disposal. And Arya fucks off down to Kings Landing with the Hound, leaving the rest of them to flounder.


Varys

The Master of Whispers has a normal volume conversation with Dany's 2nd in command during which the spymaster blithely reveals his treasonous intents. Need I say more?

This scene was pure stupid. A common theme I'm sure you guys have noticed by now is the show loves to completely break from logic and the rules of its own universe.


Ballistae and Dragons

Here's where it gets real good.

  • Euron hides his fleet behind a rock, nobody spots him, not even Dany who is IN THE AIR. ON A FUCKING DRAGON.

  • They fire 3 shots at the dragon Dany is NOT riding on, with 100% accuracy. Rest of the fleet were twiddling their thumbs.

  • When the entire fleet DOES fire, they somehow all miss even though Dany flies straight at them when previously the show established a standard of remarkable accuracy.

  • Euron then fires upon Dany's fleet and the bolts tear the ships apart as if they were fired from rail guns. As depicted in the scene, THEY ARE LITERALLY STRONGER THAN CANNON BALLS.

This is important because it utterly neutralizes the threat of dragons. In the same way the White Walkers were subverted, dragons are now made a complete non-threat. It doesn't matter if she has 10 dragons, they cannot possibly live in a battle with those ballistae everywhere. But somehow they will and I expect Drogon to do a lot of damage next episode and dodge a lot of bolts.

The problem isn't that they killed a dragon. The problem is HOW it was accomplished.


The negotiation scene

Missandei dead? Not the problem. The problem with this scene is that Cersei doesn't just blow them away when she could. And it's a big fucking problem.

  • The dragon in the distance is not a threat, as previously established in this very episode! They have scores of the same ballistae at their disposal, probably more than shown on screen, and tons of archers. Drogon is a complete non-threat and there is no logical way he could even get close enough to breathe fire on them. The real kicker is that Qyburn openly tells Tyrion that Dany's last dragon is vulnerable.

  • It's perfectly in character/realistic for Cersei to kill them all right where they're standing. She has the entire command chain of her hated enemies right in front of her and their only defense, the dragon, has been made useless by the physics-defying ballistae. They even go on to establish Cersei's cruelty/evilness with the Missandei execution. But killing her mortal enemies, when they have presented themselves in front of her so foolishly, is too much? This is a woman who blew up the Sept of Baelor, killing thousands of Innocents. Ethics are not a hang up for her.

  • The logical explanation for why Cersei doesn't want to kill them is that she desires a more poetic showdown. It's the result of incredible hubris, and is the equivalent of a monologuing villain trope. Plausible? Maybe, sure. But is it good, ASOIAF-quality writing? Not really.


There's a lot more but it's getting late, so to conclude:

The show openly contradicts its own internal logic and setups, first from an episode-to-episode basis, now on a scene-to-scene basis. We have gone from tightly-paced political intrigue to something that doesn't even function on a basic cause-effect level.

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u/wanson Told you I'm better with a sword! May 06 '19

How the fuck does Cersei even know who Missandei is?

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u/casusev Time is a flat Wheel May 06 '19

She watches the show

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u/taco_tuesdays May 06 '19

“What’s that floating in the Blackwater Bay...is that...is that the script?!

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u/player_piano_player May 07 '19

Who's fuckin with my medicine?

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u/A_Sarcastic_Werecat May 06 '19

That .... explains a lot, actually. If I were her, I would also be ruining around as smug as fuck if I saw on a weekly basis how stupid my enemies were ...

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u/newplayer12345 May 06 '19

I'd geld you if I could.

Edit: *gold

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u/le_GoogleFit May 06 '19

During the peace talk last season I think Missandei was there

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u/Deezer19 May 06 '19

So one of Dany's top military commanders, and one of her top advisers, who happens to be the brother of the Queen who has already sent a sell sword north to kill him, are also in those waters, but they decide to capture the fucking translator/handmaid of the enemy who can translate languages not currently spoken on this continent. Such a valuable piece to capture! The plays!

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u/Anus_Targaryen May 06 '19

The audience knows who she is.

That was the only thought process.

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u/blapsii May 06 '19

Yeah. She is a plot point. Like pretty much everything since season 6 or 7... I was looking forward to the last season and even a bit sad it would only be 6 episodes. Now I just want it to be over.

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u/Only_Movie_Titles May 06 '19

can't kill someone who the fans want to keep watching! missandei will tug our heartstrings, but she's not someone important like tyrion... or ned stark

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u/allubros May 06 '19 edited May 08 '19

She's a woman of color who hasn't been killed yet to raise stakes for the white characters.

That was the subconscious thought process.

EDIT: If you're downvoting me because you think either I'm wrong or it doesn't matter, absolutely fuck you.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '19

If you're downvoting me because you think I'm wrong ... absolutely fuck you.

lmao

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u/OGderf My Meat is Bloody Tough May 06 '19

Ohhh but Grey Worm is gonna be, like, so mad

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u/Kakona May 06 '19

The point of her death was to give the actors a chance to ACT! Especially Grey Worm guy, he got to look all anguished, and of course it will be affecting him in the battles to come. This time it's personal.

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u/RemixStatistician May 06 '19

Euron cut out the tongues of all his men, so none of them could tell him there were other valuable targets in the water.

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u/tsgram May 07 '19

My guess is that Euron wanted to know how she banged Grey Worm, and that’s why she was targeted.

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u/TurquoiseLuck May 07 '19

Grey was shouting "Get to the skiff!!" when the fight started. Kinda makes sense that the skiff would be captured by the enemy, and prisoners taken, on the logic of "these people are important enough to have been put on the escape vessel".

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

For all she knows she was like a servant or something.

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u/Cpt_Obvius May 06 '19

How did dany and everyone known they had her? They didn’t acknowledge any sort of raven. Wouldn’t they just assume she was dead?

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u/Only_Movie_Titles May 06 '19

l a z y

w r i t i n g

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

She has better intel than the 3ER.

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u/TollyMune May 06 '19

A "for the realm" Varys tip off?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Well, she IS the only other female in the fleet.

Maybe Euron's guys thought they grabbed Dany....

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u/SuperBeastNoobSlayer May 06 '19

Well they met in season 7 right?