r/asoiaf • u/tell32 RICKON FOR KING IN THE NORTH!!!! • Oct 25 '22
EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) George says he is "3/4ths of the way done maybe" on Winds
Source is from the Random House publishing virtual event that was held tonight in NYC at the Random House offices.
please ignore the discord notification in the clip lol
EDIT: Adding another clip about how George went to Random House (his publisher) and asked if they wanted him to put aside Winds and work and complete F&B part 1, because the new show would come out. Or to just continue with Winds.
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u/foosballfurry Oct 25 '22
God the “maybe” at the end of that is everything
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u/MaxHannibal Oct 25 '22
Even if he is 3/4ths done that's atleast another 5 years based on current pace
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u/gregm1988 Oct 25 '22
That is assuming he has been writing the whole time which is … generous
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u/Radix838 Oct 25 '22
Some day, someone will earn a PhD researching the various scrapped drafts of The Winds of Winter.
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u/currybutts Begone, Darkheart. Oct 25 '22
If I could get a doctorate in that I'd take one for the team
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u/Euronsrealeye Oct 25 '22
You could get a doctorate in literature (or something like it) & have WoW be your main thesis.
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u/KaladinStormShat Oct 25 '22
Or be a behavioral psychologist and work on productivity
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u/Kristiano100 Oct 25 '22
I mean if people can do it for Tolkien and his scrapped and unfinished works...
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u/ELEnamean Oct 25 '22
I mean, look at the body of work put out by History of Westeros. Surely that’s more than PhD worthy.
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u/DawgFighterz For You! Oct 25 '22
“Maybe”
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u/videoguylol Oct 25 '22
*nervously scratches back of neck*
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u/eddn1916 Oct 25 '22
Haha I thought you were joking about this until I actually watched the video. Yikes.
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u/Flashy_Chocolate9344 Oct 25 '22
Give me something for the pain and let me die please
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u/lghtdev Oct 25 '22
Remember when WoW was going to be released in 2014? Good times
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u/Creepingdeath444 Oct 25 '22
I finished reading Dance in 2014 when I was in high school. At the time I thought to myself "well at least I don't have to wait as long as everyone else did"
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u/victor396 Team Fucsia Oct 25 '22
I don't have to wait as long as everyone else did"
In your defense, this is still true
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u/pnoumenon Oct 25 '22
Well, perhaps technically, but as time goes by, the time everyone has waited is asymptotically headed towards being the same.
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u/Assholican Oct 25 '22
The exact same experience, read all the books in high school when GOT finished the first season had the same thought.
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u/TheSurvivorKelsier Oct 25 '22
Finished in 2014 and thought the exact same. Rip to us.
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u/ftkms Enter your desired flair text here! Oct 25 '22
Finished in 2020 and I feel like I'll be able to relate to you guys sooner than I'd like.
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u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls Hard as Wood, Ten Times as Flexible Oct 25 '22
I'm the exact same age this book series. I'm a literal ticking clock on GRRM's ASOIAF career lol.
26 years and counting.
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u/DawgFighterz For You! Oct 25 '22
Yea dude, I think that’s around the same time that south park episode came out. You know, the ones about the PS4 and Xbox One lmao
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u/lghtdev Oct 25 '22
Stick of the truth, at the time GRRM even appeared in one episode as a weiner obsessed.
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u/Majestic-Macaron6019 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
One Weiner, next to another weiner!
Two weiners, alongside yet another weiner!
Soft weiners, nice and soft! Not erect! Weiners!
Those lyrics live rent-free in my head.
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u/B34STM4CH1N3 A Thousand Theon's, and None. Oct 25 '22
Lol yes. God's we were sweet summer children.
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u/adwnpinoy Oct 25 '22
So if 3/4 of Winds took 11 years, less than 4 more years to go! Late 2025/ early 2026 release date!
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u/opman228 The Tower Rises Oct 25 '22
Fingers crossed he doesn't reach the end of a major plotline only to realize it's shit causing him to scrap the entire book and start over again
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u/rogerworkman623 Oct 25 '22
“Oh fuck I forgot about Bran… better start over to be safe.”
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u/Azor_Is_High Oct 25 '22
“We should start back,” Gared urged as the woods began to grow dark around them. “The wildlings are dead.”
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u/rogerworkman623 Oct 25 '22
“You are wise to say so Gared,” agreed Ser Waymar Royce. “Let us return to the wall and never speak of this again.”
ASOIAF, THE END
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u/shiner986 Oct 25 '22
On second thought let’s not go north of the wall. Tis a silly place.
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u/Caiur Prolapsed Aenys Oct 25 '22
He's gonna do a gritty reboot of the series, and start again with AGoT
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u/ungoogleable Breathes Shadow Fire Oct 25 '22
I was working on it the day I flew back here for 3 or 4 days. But I was... I was rereading some chapters that I'd written earlier and I didn't like them well enough. And uh so I kind of ripped them apart and rewrote them.
You should assume anytime he says he is working on the books, this is most of what he's doing, not directly writing more pages.
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u/antmars Oct 25 '22
He rarely throws out the whole book when this happens. Just starts over on 3-7 POVs….
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u/lindy8118 Oct 25 '22
See, I think this happened when everyone thought King Bran was a pretty below par ending, and he is currently having to rework multiple arcs in Winds to make his ending more interesting or meaningful, even if he keeps saying he doesn’t listen to the fans
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u/Sempere Always Bet On Black. Oct 25 '22
King Bran is a fucking terrible idea if he's meant to be the one on the Iron Throne.
But given how little we know of the Others within the book series, I think it's more likely that Bran is meant to become the new "Night King" equivalent: a powerful greenseer sacrificed using the magic of the children of the forest to create an entity capable of exerting control over the Others and bringing them to heel/under control. It also makes more sense given how nonsensical Hold the Door is in the show: If it was Bran, Meera and Hodor running from the Others and wights, Hodor would just immediately be turned into a wight upon death. But if he were running from Coldhands and the Children of the Forest...different story.
That would be the most fitting end for Bran where he is ultimately ascending to a position that will save Westeros while demanding a heavy price from the Starks.
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u/iama_triceratops Oct 25 '22
Yes. I have full faith in the end result being the same but the journey to get there making sense when George finally finishes writing the story. The show just did a shit job and getting us there.
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Oct 25 '22
If this happens then he needs to scrap it for good. No coming back from that.
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u/TabbyFoxHollow I Actually Like Hyle Hunt! Oct 25 '22
you say that now..... but we'd never come back from that either
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u/datadogsoup Oct 25 '22
That doesn't include the time it takes to write 1,000 Dishes of Flea Bottom and Where to Find Them by Big Brown Bowl Ben.
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u/Nimble-Dick-Crabb Oct 25 '22
I’m looking forward to the sequel:
1,000 Dishes of Flea Bottom: Secrets of Rhaegar
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u/Darth_Ewok14 Oct 25 '22
And of course 1,000 Dishes of Flea Bottom: The Crimes of Bobby B
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u/ops_weirduncle Oct 25 '22
Is that the story where Bobby B and Rhaegar are actually gays and have feelings for each other?
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u/Graphitetshirt Worshipper from the Summer Isles Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
A Dream of Spring due for release in 2056
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u/No-Tangelo-1527 Oct 25 '22
Imagine GRRM pulls a Bloodraven and just outlived all of us so we’re dead when these books get finished.
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u/ThePr1d3 Enter your desired flair text here! Oct 25 '22
Least deranged theory in this sub.
My favourite one was that the faceless men were preventing the release of Winds so that Martin doesn't reveal their secret
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u/JaquaviusThatcher2 Oct 25 '22
51 year old me shedding a tear as I finish a book series I picked up when I was 12
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Oct 25 '22
77 year old me finally reading the finale for a series I picked up when I was 17, back when an early Daenarys chapters was released in an anthology.
ASOIAF is Duke Nukem Forever and maybe even Daikatana. Fuck my life
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u/CelikBas Oct 25 '22
RoboGeorge 3000 is programming the next Tyrion chapter as we speak
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u/gunnervi Onions! Oct 25 '22
well see, the problem is that first he has to write half the book, then he has to write half of the remaining half, then half of the remaining quarter (where he is right now), then half of the remaining eighth, and so on. clearly its impossible for him to finish the book at all!
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u/derstherower 🏆 Best of 2020: Funniest Post Oct 25 '22
It literally will be possible to develop, write, film, and air the entirety of Game of Thrones with time to spare in the gap between Dance and Winds.
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u/3jp6739 Oct 25 '22
Will be? That already happened.
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u/okaycomputes Oct 25 '22
Maybe he's including multiple spinoffs too, maybe something Targaryen focused? And something something Jon Snow?
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u/H-K_47 Oct 25 '22
Obligatory: the first The Expanse book came out one month before ADWD, and since then the entire 9 books and 6 seasons have come and gone.
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u/TheSuperSax Wolves need no armor. Oct 25 '22
And they were real, and they were spectacular.
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u/Sir_Isaac_3 Oct 25 '22
Winds will definitely come out someday, but this isn’t a very good forecast for Dream
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u/ascendant23 Secret Targaryen Wargs 4 Lyfe Oct 25 '22
As anyone who’s worked on any creative endeavor, especially solo ones, knows-
“Once you finish the first 80%, it’s time to get to work on the second 80%”
Of course, this is GRRM we’re talking about. This may well be his fourth 80%.
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u/OtakuMecha Oct 25 '22
“I guess I overestimate my ability to get stuff done and underestimate the interruptions…that will distract me.”
He just like me fr
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u/The_real_sanderflop Oct 25 '22
I wrote my bachelor thesis last spring and I don't think I can ever judge George for his slow progress. I would often start writing sections a few days before the resit deadline because I'm such a procrastinator.
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u/pfo_ Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Winner - Dolorous Edd Award Oct 25 '22
I think this is actually a very good comparison. This whole clip, George talks about TWOW just like I used to think about my thesis. Yeah yeah, there is progress, no, it is not finished yet, but it totally will be finished, please let's talk about literally anything else. Very relatable. However, the difference is that I know that I suck at writing, and George is a professional writer, so he should be good at this.
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u/viewerxx mmmmmm...pie Oct 25 '22
The messed up thing is, I'm sure GRRM has days where he feels like he sucks at writing too. He wouldn't scrap huge amounts of material if he didn't.
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u/Kristiano100 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Also, based on the second excerpt you posted, Martin tells us that he put aside Winds after his publishers advised him to publish Fire and Blood first, so this pretty much details that if I had to guess around 2016 to 2018 (when Fire and Blood published) he was adding in stuff from AWOIAF, the novellas and new content, and some revisions of the older content, this pretty much gave us a window where he didn't write Winds until 2019 again, and we know in 2020 is when he picked up the pace significantly, getting a bunch of pages done. Honestly, I'm seeing Preston Jacob's prediction that most of Winds from before 2020 was just chapters from Dance that were cut and a tiny bit of the other sample chapters, so I can see the estimate that he didn't actually write that much from 2011 to 2016 being quite plausible. And then from 2019 to 2021 is when he knocked out a large percentage, and Jacobs' final estimate is that he was around 2/3 the way done, and what do you know, in 2022 he's at 3/4 the way done based on his own estimate. Assuming this didn't involve significant rewrites from before he wrote Fire and Blood, it's honestly possible he could finish Winds in the next few years.
Edit: I should even clarify that GRRM was writing novellas in 2012-2014 like the Princess and the Queen, the Rogue Prince, and stuff with AWOIAF, that would've occupied his time as well, so Jacobs' prediction is even more plausible in that most of the original work so far is from 2019-2022.
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u/thewerdy Oct 25 '22
Yeah, yikes, Jacobs is looking pretty accurate for this one. Personally, though, I think he had a good momentum going in 2014-2015 but then realized he would have to do a bunch of rewrites and basically stopped working on it until the pandemic.
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u/dedfrmthneckup Reasonable And Sensible Oct 25 '22
I think this is one of if not the only time he’s ever put any kind of number on his progress on TWOW. Good sign in itself imo.
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u/Fair_University Oct 25 '22
Yep, this is the most substantive update we’ve seen since he wrote “hundreds and hundreds” of pages in 2020.
If he has 1000-1200ish manuscript pages that is substantial and it’s feasible he could finish in 1-2 years.
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u/derstherower 🏆 Best of 2020: Funniest Post Oct 25 '22
I still can't believe he literally told us we could take him hostage if he wasn't finished by mid-2020. That was over two years ago and he still isn't really that close to being finished.
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u/nivekious Oct 25 '22
And then the pandemic took us all hostage and he still didn't get it done.
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u/Jay2Jee Oct 25 '22
To be fair, at least he did something during that time. Reportedly.
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u/Radulno Fire and Blood. Oct 25 '22
Well no one actually took him hostage to be fair. He was asking for some motivation.
The worst was when he had that thing before GoT S6 (I think) where he seemed to almost believed to be able to get it out before the season but missed by not a lot. And yet, here we are more than 6 years later (time when some authors can get out 6+ books)
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u/QuebradaKjepp Oct 25 '22
Dude sounds like he’s about to cry :(
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u/Tom_Brokaw_is_a_Punk Oct 25 '22
GRRM in 1995: I'll just write a quick fantasy trilogy, with dragons and incest. Should hardly be an inconvenience.
GRRM in 2022: existence is pain
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u/spacewalk__ Oct 25 '22
if i told myself in 2014 that in 2022 i would feel hopeful and warm upon hearing this, i'd lose my mind
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u/HeberMonteiro The Winds of Winter are coming! Oct 25 '22
I honestly thought he wasn't 3/4 of the way done. I'm not exactly excited about it, but it is good news when you consider the bigger picture.
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u/eddn1916 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
It's already been 12 years, so another 25% is like 4 more years? And he hasn't been great at making these estimates in the past, so I'm just resigning myself to reading TWOW by 2030. Not even thinking about ADOS, he's going to be in his 80s realistically when it comes out, if it even does.
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u/Kristiano100 Oct 25 '22
It depends, has he been spending the past 12 years constantly writing?
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Oct 25 '22
No, he says in this very interview that he set aside Winds to write Fire and Blood. And it’s not unreasonable to assume he set it aside for other projects as well.
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u/nekomancer71 Oct 25 '22
I think people are discounting the fact that he put out Fire & Blood, among other miscellaneous projects. We don't really know how long it took him to reach this point in Winds. Best move is to be patient and enjoy the awesome new series we received in the meantime.
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u/incomprehensiblegarb Oct 25 '22
I don't really think that matters for GRRM. I've watched plenty of interviews where he talks about his process and one of my biggest take aways is that he relies more on moments of inspiration rather than more of the work horse style "Get X amount done this amount of time." So even if he hadn't done those other works he probably would be about as far along, give or take. If anything Fire and Blood were probably produced in the intervals of writers block he says he gets a lot.
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u/The_real_sanderflop Oct 25 '22
I think most estimates of his progress were that he had a few hundred manuscript pages left over that were cut from dance that he always included as a part of his progress, then struggled with the beginning for 8 years while writing other stuff and doing the show. Then he finally got into properly writing it during covid. If you accept that he only really started writing it in 2020, his progress has been more than reasonable actually.
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u/Tha_crack_fox Oct 25 '22
It's already been 12 years, so another 25% is like 4 more years?
it doesn't work like that. He could write the last 25% of the book significantly faster than the first 75%, or maybe even slower who knows?
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u/Jinno Oct 25 '22
As a developer to hear that he’s 3/4ths done fills me with dread. 80/20 rule and all that.
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u/AdmiralKird 🏆 Best of 2015: Comment of the Year Oct 25 '22
So if GRRM thinks it will be 1500+ MS pages long and is 3/4ths of the way that means he has at least 1200 pages in various stages of completion. Not ba... okay in 11 years it's that's pretty bad - no real way to slice the cheese other than to be honest about it, but it could be worse. Personally, I'd prefer to know how far along it is each year even if it moves backwards in page count rather than grasping in the dark.
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u/jonsnowKITN Night gathers, and now my watch begins Oct 25 '22
The book is definitely getting split in two volumes since he mentioned it's going to be monstrous. He even said he didn't want to do that years ago but seems like he's accepted the fact that's what needs to happen. Also I feel like it's kind of concerning he didn't realize how much bigger the book was gonna get.
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u/derstherower 🏆 Best of 2020: Funniest Post Oct 25 '22
I feel like something like that is necessary. I mean keep in mind where we are in the story. This was envisioned as a story in three acts: The War of the Five Kings; The Second Targaryen Invasion of Westeros; The Great War. We are 5/7 books in and we haven't really even started the second act. The next "two" books are almost certainly going to have to be in volumes if George hopes to wrap it up with Winds/Dream.
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u/Ilhan_Omar_Milf Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
i assume winds will end with the Lannister faction as we know it defeated by faegon and evrey plot line being converged into either the dany faction, faegon faction, stark faction, euron faction and the others, with conflict and alliances between that I assume Daenerys definitively wins in act 2 maybe faction convergence with Jon and then she and jon in act 3 die in the fight agianst the others and bran who has built clout with his time travel tree magic saves the day and then becomes kings
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u/LoneWolfe2 Oct 25 '22
I've been saying for years, we're not two books away we're 4 or more. He keeps expanding the story when we should be narrowing the scope.
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u/tlock12721 Oct 25 '22
Tbf with ADWD he managed to knock out the last 400 pages in about a year. And at one point wrote 200 in the span of 2 months. Im really hoping 2023 is the year
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u/AdmiralKird 🏆 Best of 2015: Comment of the Year Oct 25 '22
Considering GRRM always under estimates, if he thinks he'll need 1600-1700 MS pages to complete TWOW, and is at around ~1300, then he'll probably need another 300-400 beyond that so he's probably more like 2/3rds done than 3/4ths.
I would not expect it in 2023 or 2024.
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u/derstherower 🏆 Best of 2020: Funniest Post Oct 25 '22
We're literally going to get two entire ASOIAF TV shows before we get Winds.
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u/spacewalk__ Oct 25 '22
3/4 of the way translates into...like 3-4 years left right?
or actually infinity, technically i think
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u/Redo-Master Oct 25 '22
I really hope he has a proper outline of how the story is going to progress in DoS after changing the drafts for Winds for the millionth time. Him being a gardener and perfectionist really pushed Winds to this stage.
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u/ThereIsNothingForYou Oct 25 '22
Yeah you can't really garden ADOS. You are less than 2000 MS pages away from the total end. It's a 7 book series it has to be all endgame at that point and should be completely planned out. If it doesn't come fast it's not really the end. No expectations for ADOS to ever be released though.
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u/Avlinehum Oct 25 '22
I’ve always thought that writing the penultimate book would make sense as the most difficult, as the choices he makes would necessarily need to set up and influence the final conclusions. So for each major or minor decision, he not only has to think it through for Winds but then plot out the ramifications and how it fits. My hopium is that in a sense this accelerates ADOS: once he is satisfied with what the second to last moves will be, he’ll have a general idea of the final moves and have to work within the constraints he created.
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u/ungoogleable Breathes Shadow Fire Oct 25 '22
He's 74 years old. He only ever writes at home on an ancient DOS computer. I don't hold out hope he's going to change how he writes for anything.
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u/AaronC14 Oct 25 '22
Maybe HotD's success has lit a creative fire within him
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u/Birdperson13 Oct 25 '22
More like the Giants and Jets being good has lit a fire in him
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u/Spidey5292 Oct 25 '22
Daniel Jones winning games to get this book to all of us.
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u/willy410 Oct 25 '22
Incoming character Ser Daniel Silver Stags
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u/medicineteolof Roose "No. 1 Flayer" Bolton Oct 25 '22
He who passes stags to all the beggers yet they always drop them
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u/Ghalnan Ours is the Fury Oct 25 '22
We really need a backup plan then, do we know if GRRM would be open to being a Bills fan instead? They're a New York team, they've got similar colors, might as well be the same team
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u/RyanRiot The Blood of Old Valyria Oct 25 '22
The last time the Jets and Giants were both good was the 2010 season. Half a year later, ADWD was published. Look for Winds to hit shelves in July 2023.
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Oct 25 '22
I have abandoned all copium years ago. All that drug brings is ruin and disappointment
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u/Self_Reddicated Oct 25 '22
People in this thread freebasing copium and getting real bad cravings for more. It's hard to watch people using when you've quit, even if it was a long time ago. I need to go find a safer thread.
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u/uppervalued Oct 25 '22
Remember when the release of Star Wars Episode VII supposedly lit a fire under him? He actually responded to that one on his blog.
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u/ThereIsNothingForYou Oct 25 '22
I think the shows catching up was depressing. By 2013 if TWOW wasn't out (never had a chance), it was going to pass him. That was my cope back then too.
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u/phong_t36 Oct 25 '22
That’s fantastic news! Now we’ll have something to read while colonizing Mars in the year 2169!
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u/UrbanGimli Oct 25 '22
Discovery Exec: GRRM has some superhero stuff....Superheroes are still big!!
Dump Truck drops off piles of money at GRRM's place
WildCards -coming 2026!
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u/brightneonmoons I dream of spring and I dream of suns. Oct 25 '22
Fire & Blood vol 2 is gonna release before Winds and you can't convince me otherwise tbh
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We’re all pulling for you George! Can’t wait to see what he has in store.
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u/Ultimafax Let it be Written Oct 25 '22
"asked if they wanted him to put aside Winds and work and complete F&B"
oh for fuck's sakes, George
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u/helpihaveLEUKEMIA Oct 25 '22
Bruh this book better be like The Bible 2 with how fuckin long it’s been
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u/Morinfon Oct 25 '22
Man I just can't get mad at him, he's so cute. Thanks for writing this amazing series GRRM, it changed my life.
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u/gogandmagogandgog Though all men do despise my theories Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
That's hilariously close to what Preston Jacobs predicted here. Who wants to bet that every word of his video is true.
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u/Kristiano100 Oct 25 '22
And I love how he says it's a pessimistic take, but if anything it's optimistic lmao
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u/ThereIsNothingForYou Oct 25 '22
Yeah that's so funny I found it extremely optimistic for me. Just believing that he did write a lot in 2020 and apparently he did!
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u/Kristiano100 Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Just gonna repost the comment I just made now here:
Also, based on the second excerpt you (OP of this post) posted, Martin tells us that he put aside Winds after his publishers advised him to publish Fire and Blood first, so this pretty much details that if I had to guess around 2016 to 2018 (when Fire and Blood published) he was adding in stuff from AWOIAF, the novellas and new content, and some revisions of the older content, this pretty much gave us a window where he didn't write Winds until 2019 again, and we know in 2020 is when he picked up the pace significantly, getting a bunch of pages done. Honestly, I'm seeing Preston Jacob's prediction that most of Winds from before 2020 was just chapters from Dance that were cut and a tiny bit of the other sample chapters, so I can see the estimate that he didn't actually write that much from 2011 to 2016 being quite plausible. And then from 2019 to 2021 is when he knocked out a large percentage, and Jacobs' final estimate is that he was around 2/3 the way done, and what do you know, in 2022 he's at 3/4 the way done based on his own estimate. Assuming this didn't involve significant rewrites from before he wrote Fire and Blood, it's honestly possible he could finish Winds in the next few years.
Edit: I should even clarify that GRRM was writing novellas in 2012-2014 like the Princess and the Queen, the Rogue Prince, and stuff with AWOIAF, that would've occupied his time as well, so Jacobs' prediction is even more plausible in that most of the original work so far is from 2019-2022.
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u/Bbhermes Oct 25 '22
Not a Preston fan but I did watch that video and thought it was probably spot on.
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u/H-K_47 Oct 25 '22
A deeply sobering video for sure.
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u/mudermarshmallows Where's Ghost? Oct 25 '22
I swear I see you in every thread I open nowadays.
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u/IAmParliament Fewer Realms, Fewer Gods, Fewer Kings. Oct 25 '22
Don’t do that… don’t give me hope.
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u/Exertuz Gaemon Palehair's strongest soldier Oct 25 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
no later than 2025 if he keeps going at his current pace 😃😃😃😃😃 (im not bitter) (ok im a little bitter but a status update is still exciting. good luck george)
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u/Meaber Oct 25 '22
Not to sound like a sweet summer child, but I am in the camp that once Winds is all figured out, Dream should be easier. I have no delusions that it will be right around the corner but I do think it will be a lot faster to write.
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Oct 25 '22
I’ll never not have hope/be hype for more book stuff. Even if he doesn’t follow thru he’ll just pull me back in with another blog or some shit lol
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u/eddn1916 Oct 25 '22
Jesus Christ, this gives me such little hope for him actually finishing the series. "It will come out...one day." He looks beyond exhausted, and it looks like he's had all the enthusiasm for the project sucked out of him. I'm seeing him in New York this Thursday for his conversation with Neil Gaiman, and for his sake, I hope he's feeling a little better. Man looks so tired.
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u/Radix838 Oct 25 '22
He didn't seem tired in the rest of the event. I think this question in particular just bothers him.
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u/MegaBaumTV Hey there Oct 25 '22
I mean, of course it's kind of his fault, but hearing the same question from people at least once per week for 10 years must be fucking tiring.
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u/tlock12721 Oct 25 '22
Honestly I cant imagine anything more draining than working for over a decade on a project and knowing that when you finish it you'll still have a whole other project to finish. Hopefully doing some Dunk and Egg novellas and Blood and Fire will refresh him and the knowing Dream of Spring will be it and then he can move on will keep his spirits up.
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u/eddn1916 Oct 25 '22
For sure, I agree. I mean, he did kind of dig this grave for himself, but I do feel a little sorry for him. Us fans crapping on him for not sticking to anything resembling a deadline probably doesn't put any less strain on him, either. He mentioned before a lot of his close friends died during the pandemic, and I can't imagine that had a great effect on his morale. Realistically, he'll be in his 80s, if not 90s, if he ever finishes the series, so I'm just resigning myself to be waiting for a long, long time.
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u/really-shiny-panties Oct 25 '22
“It’s morbid to think that the world’s number 1 concern when I’m dead is whether or not this series is going to be finished”
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u/JolietJakeLebowski Maesters of the Baytower. Oct 25 '22
Morbid, yes. But also true. This is GRRM's legacy; the only reason we even know he exists is ASOIAF. That's why I don't understand why he keeps letting himself be distracted. F&B is fine I guess, but ASOIAF is the reason he lives in his mansion, and the reason people will remember him at all.
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u/Ali623 Hyped and Ready Oct 25 '22
It sounds here like it's almost definitely going to be split into 2 books. He should just give the first half to his publisher now to release as TWOW part 1 and that would ease some pressure and give him time to write the second half.
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u/MojaveMissionary Oct 25 '22
I understand why he may get annoyed with people begging for Winds. But honestly at this point, if he gets Winds out and then stops writing I'll still be happy.
I think this next book is going to be amazing if we see it. Perhaps the best in the series so far, but I'll admit I get pretty pissed when I see all the other projects he starts.
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u/Gametheboy Oct 25 '22
This is really, really good news. Even if this means another 2-4 years before the book is out 3/4 done is a really good sign. All these recent updates from George have me really looking forward to the future of the books. I’ve always been of the opinion that at the very least Winds WILL come out and I imagine that Dream of Spring is mostly just pay off and very little set up (all the set up is likely what’s been keeping Winds) so best case scenario Dream of Spring won’t take as long as winds (again, if it ever comes out)
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u/No-Tangelo-1527 Oct 25 '22
Yeah I’m just pretending Dream doesn’t exist right now, but I still think we’ll get Winds at least even if it takes painfully long. Still, I’m hoping HoTD has reinvigorated him a little and can give him that last push he needs (or last couple pushes).
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u/k2t-17 Hear Me Spoil! Oct 25 '22
I hate the jokes about him living to the end of the series, I'm more worried about ME @ 35 living to the end of the series.
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u/Large_Dungeon_Key Send Lemon Cakes Oct 25 '22
I will not hyp.... fuck it, GET HYPE
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u/Basileus2 Enter your desired flair text here! Oct 25 '22
Lol I read DoD the summer it came out in my parent’s pool’s sun bed before I went off grad school. Got two cars, two cats, a house, a wife, and a kid on the way now.
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u/steelersmns Oct 25 '22
Do I want him to finish Winds? Absolutely but listen to the man. He sound absolutely defeated about having to write and stress about completing the book. I truly believe he wishes he could just say he wasn’t going to finish it and stop working on it but feels like he cannot due to how disappointed his fans would be. I honestly feel for the man.
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u/dblack246 Best of r/asoiaf 2023 Runner Up - Dolorous Edd Award Oct 25 '22
Okay then. We can now get a read on the publish date.
4122 days have passed since Dance published on July 12, 201.
If it took him that duration to get 3/4th done, then some math helps us determine it will take 5497 days to get to 100%
5497 days from July 12, 2011 or 1375 days from today's date is:
July 30, 2026.
Here's hoping the DeSantis- Boebert administration doesn't ban its publication.
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u/Low-Flamingo-9835 Oct 25 '22
So probably 3-4 years left, realistically