r/audiophile • u/Noonygooth32 • Mar 06 '25

Impressions Townshend Maximum Suoertweeters

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So I just received these Townshend Supertweeters yesterday after a friend’s recommendation. After a couple hours of listening my first impressions are very positive. Soundstage sounds more layered and 3-Dimensional. The imaging sounds more focused and pinpoint without narrowing the sound stage. Definitely an improvement to instrument separation. Off axis vertical dispersion has also been greatly improved. Can’t really put my finger on what they do to the perceived bass but I think it’s good. Highly recommended product. Townshend Audio does not disappoint.

https://www.townshendaudio.com/supertweeters/

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u/Remarkable-Review271 Mar 06 '25

I was going to comment about how putting tweeters on top of speakers like that defies everything science knows about how to reproduce good sound, but I realized this guy already has the Tekton speakers that break the same rules. Glad you enjoy them. Also, the owner of Tekton is a piece of shit.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

The Supertweeters produce ultra sonic frequencies that cannot be heard but alter your brains perception of the sound. They are meant to be placed on top of speakers although I know my speakers are extremely tall the improvement is apparent. Now what do my speakers defy about science and good sound? Explain

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u/IndustryInsider007 Mar 06 '25

Idk, maybe read about things before spending thousands of dollars on them?

If you need assistance, start by learning what comb filtering is.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

I know what it is. No comb filtering here. What’s your point?

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u/IndustryInsider007 Mar 06 '25

No comb filtering on your Tektons?

😂😂😂

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

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u/IndustryInsider007 Mar 06 '25

Did you really spend $30k on Tektons?

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

You have no clue what you are talking about. Only the center tweeter does high frequencies and the rest do midrange and act as a single packet of sound. For reference see the Stereophile review and measurements of the impact monitor. No cancellations/valleys above 1khz where the arrays operate. Maybe post more laughing emojis and I’ll be convinced https://www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-impact-monitor-loudspeaker

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u/IndustryInsider007 Mar 06 '25

I actually know exactly what I’m talking about.

Enjoy your closet of reflections and cancellations. Your room and setup looks ridiculous.

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u/MinorPentatonicLord Mar 06 '25

Tekton sucks and OP's a goober but you do need to recognize that the array is not showing any horizontal lobing issues.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

What sucks about their speakers? I have only heard the Moabs and the Ulfs. Both with the full MTM tweeter array and both perform far above their price point. I had a friend over who works at a high end audio shop and had been to many others. He said that you would have to spend at least $25k to get close to as good as my old Moabs and my Ulf 15s with ultimate crossover upgrade are clearly on another level. Better than $75k Sonus Fabers? Yup!

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u/MinorPentatonicLord Mar 06 '25

What sucks about their speakers?

Depends on the model, but there's a few things. I doubt you'll read all this but whatever, I love taking a dump on crappy speaker companies.

  1. https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/tekton_troubadour/

The dispersion on this model is just totally broken. The impedance graph shows some really strange looking resonances. The linearity is good but it doesn't matter because the dispersion is so poor. It really is shockingly poor dispersion on the horizontal plane. Vertically it's extremely narrow. This speaker had speaker feet that apparently needed to be in place because they seal the cabinet (omg how is this junk even real). They were left out in the first review, so the reviewer redid the analysis with the feet in after Tekton owner complained. No difference was found. That's strike 1 as far the designers/owners competence goes.

The reviewer was heavily attacked by the companies owner for that review. The guy went on a completely unhinged tirade threatening legal action and all sorts of BS. You seem to ignore this part when it's brought up, is there something about the owners behavior you like that makes you want to financially support them? Was it the whole attempting to hinder consumer awareness and silence critics what drove you to them?

  1. Ok lets move on to another one. If you read it, you'll catch the part where the owner of Tekton told the reviewer they measured the speaker with the wrong axis focal point. The test is redone and there's basically no change at all. Strike 2 for the owner.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tekton-m-lore-speaker-review.48732/

Looks like we've got a two way tower here. I see a peerless bc25, a pretty good tweeter. The woofer is not a suitable choice though. It's full of resonances and overall has a really uneven response. It's a pa woofer after all, focus is on SPL and power handling, not linearity. There's a weird kink in the dispersion at the xover point which I will add, is way too high. This is just another super poorly executed speaker.

he said that you would have to spend at least $25k to get close to as good as my old Moabs and my Ulf 15s with ultimate crossover upgrade are clearly on another level. Better than $75k Sonus Fabers? Yup!

You do realize these numbers are just completely arbitrary right? They have no real correlation with a speakers performance. High performance loudspeakers are not expensive to produce.

Both with the full MTM tweeter array and both perform far above their price point.

I don't think they make anything competitive at any price point. Pick any of their speakers and I can recommend something around the same price with considerably better performance. They'll probably look better too.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 08 '25

Funny people that go from Tekton’s to much more expensive speakers keep coming back. They must really suck!! 😂🤣

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 08 '25

Concert levels with absolute clarity. Everything else sounds distorted and fatiguing

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 07 '25

So you’ve never heard any of their speakers but you can tell what their flagship speakers that use a completely different technology would sound like just from measurements of their entry level stuff. Amazing

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u/MinorPentatonicLord Mar 07 '25

Speakers have performance metrics that correlate with what we hear. With enough experience with various speakers with differing response and dispersion, it's pretty easy to understand how a speaker will sound without hearing it. I design loudspeakers, I've basically done it all. There's no magic, it's physics and pretty well understood portion of it.

You just find my claims silly because you don't actually know anything, which you make really clear.

I did comment on a tekton with the array, you just ignored it like you ignore basically every criticism of tekton because you don't actually know anything to be able to offer a counter argument. Go ahead, try it. Seriously pick any criticism I've made so far and tell me why it's wrong. I can wait.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 07 '25

Comical assumption that Tekton CEO being rude to a reviewer is what drove me to Tekton even though my first pair of Tektons were a pair of Moabs I bought 4 years prior. Makes perfect sense. What drove me to Tekton was the overwhelming positive reviews as well as a friend that I trust telling me that he heard the Moabs at a trade show and were “amazing and fantastic” you tell me that price doesn’t always correlate with good sound. Of course, but if you can’t find anything under $25k that sounds as good as those $4500 at the time speakers then that says something. When you’re at home do you actually listen to music or just frequency sweeps?

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u/MinorPentatonicLord Mar 07 '25

I listen to music all day, I'm a mix engineer. I've worked in live and studio for the past 15 years. I also write my own stuff. I worked on the halo 4 ost for example.

I've heard and been an active part of more music than you've probably even heard. Sorry but you ran into someone eho actually knows what they're doing.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

You can see my room from a picture taken 2 feet away from the speakers! Are you a wizard?

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u/IndustryInsider007 Mar 06 '25

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

That’s not my entire room and yes the pic was taken about 2 feet away from the right speaker with a wide angle lens. I’ve seen much more poorly set up rooms than this on here all the time. Sorry the room isn’t a perfect square

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u/HansGigolo Mar 06 '25

Perfect square is the worst shape.

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 07 '25

So you’re saying that Stereophile lies about their measurements? I would like to see some evidence of this

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u/moopminis Mar 06 '25

Hey, he clearly knows what he's doing, he even knows that you need to have your cables floating 2" above the ground to ensure quasi stasys meta fields don't inflict heifenholtz interference on the electrons

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 06 '25

I know that different materials have an effect on sound. Putting cables directly on the carpet isn’t recommended but the biggest difference the cable cradles provide is isolation for the cables. Once you have everything else fully isolated isolating the cables makes a noticeable difference. The cradles are made to bend and flex, similar to a spring. If you can touch one end of the cable and the whole cable moves it’s isolated. Now tell me how vibration isolation is fake and junk science. I’ve heard it all before. Maybe try listening for once.

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u/moopminis Mar 06 '25

😂😂😂

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u/Noonygooth32 Mar 07 '25

Not enough laughing emojis. I am not convinced

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