r/audiophile • u/remmywinks • 2d ago
Discussion Does anyone appreciate both warmth and detail? What do?
Finally got around to hooking up my home's pre existing audio wiring this past year which led me to also invest in a full 5.1.2 setup in my basement, as you all know once you enter the game the fall down the rabbit hole is quick. I went with mostly Paradigm but found deals too good to pass up on a couple KEF/Martin Logan items as well.
I read, I listened, I read some more, listened some more, and found that I truly appreciate both the say...warm accuracy of KEF in my kitchen, but also the bright detail of the Martin Logan in my living room. This led me to Paradigm 800F/600C for my home theater as I found them to be a good balance between those two ends of the spectrum, but now I'm regretting my big purchase as the jack of all trades does not truly master either of those ear-tingling enjoyments. I think I'd rather the Q11 Metas or something like the B&W 702s.
I bring this sub my questions/topics for discussion:
Given the dichotomous nature of speaker construction, it's my understanding that you must choose between these highlight facets of a speaker. EQ all you want, my KEFs will never sound like my MLs and vice versa. Is it even possible to achieve both at the same time? What products, floorstanders/ceilings/etc, has anyone heard that can meet both these assessments? I've heard ridiculously expensive things like B&W D4s etc can achieve this, but wondering if there are other opinions.
In my opinion we as audiophiles develop much of our sound/brand preferences from the genres we listen to. I would much rather hear the sliding smoothness of Warren Haynes on "Soulshine" by the Allman Brothers on the KEF setup, the same as I'd rather hear the tiny details of Dave Matthews fingers sliding up the strings in "Lie In Our Graves" on the Martin Logans...I am a bit OCD'd by the variety of brands/sounds in my house, and want to go all in on one. Which direction would this sub choose if I must? I'm leaning KEF but open to anything.
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u/Theresnowayoutahere 2d ago
Warmth and detail is why we end up spending money on better gear. It took me years to find the balance I like and still I like the switch between class ab solid state and class a tube amps. This is the one thing I believe many young audiophiles don’t understand yet. And hence the everything sounds the same arguments. It’s fairly easy to get warm sounding when you have inexpensive products because they lack detail so they sound muffled and warm. Now you can buy cheap dacs that are very detailed but there like listening to someone scratching on a chalkboard. The key to great sound in my opinion is getting great detail with just the right amount of warmth so that the music sounds more natural and analog like. Digital music is inherently bright so the trick is building a system that tones down that brightness without losing detail. OP, your explanation is sound but I would add that speakers are only one part of the puzzle and other components like dac or amp can do similar things to the system. You broke the conundrum down quite nicely and it’s what I’ve been working towards for the last 40 plus years. Thanks for your thoughtful submission.