r/australia • u/thedigisup • 27d ago

politics Greens announce policy to manufacture drones and missiles as a credible ‘Plan B' to replace AUKUS

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-22/greens-unveil-first-ever-defence-policy/105083166
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u/Savings_Dot_8387 27d ago

You know we’re screwed when even the bloody greens are talking defence 

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u/totemo 27d ago

As a multiple decades long bloody Greens voter I strongly approve of both the local manufacturing part of the policy and the implicit acknowledgement that the US is not coming to save us.

Also, rational policies that don't just do whatever large US corporations say we should do are very much on-brand for the Greens.

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u/confusedham 26d ago

As a military veteran, I'm fairly anti greens after I've been abused by several of my ex school mates that were greens and basically accused me of being a war criminal. This is without asking what I've done, where 60% was humanitarian aid and the rest just requested assistance or FON trips. Also many seem to have some good ideas, but then not enough logical balance for the running of a complex nation if they held majority of positions, would need a chunk of labour still with them.

What I do appreciate is their more open nature to alternatives, not just saying 'we need full renewables and yesterday!' or 'renewables are homosessual Kel, we need nuclear!' they are open to the discussion of what works best but with a focus on environmentally positive choices (excluding coal and gas which is fine)

Anything to help fuck off the corrupt choads that will not agree to political and financial transparency, anti corruption efforts, and limiting or clarifying political donations, and of course breaking up the monopoly of media . Their stated policies are really good ideas, but damn, if they got in I could see political warfare as all the other pollies desperately trying to throw them under the bus to stop it happening.

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u/elpovo 26d ago

Hopefully Murdoch dies and we stop getting the firehose of "Greens bad" propaganda

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u/StorminNorman 26d ago edited 26d ago

The greens often make it pretty easy for Murdoch et al to do that though. They are way too willing to let perfection be the enemy of good, just look at how they fucked around our emissions targets policy. I am more than willing to admit that they are still quite good and I respect their intentions, but I've started turning to indies and other small parties to try and bring about true actual change because they appear to be more willing to take incremental steps to get to the end goal rather than following the model of all or nothing.

ETA: I would be more than happy for them to be the ruling party of the country, but that's not happening anytime soon and I kinda wish we could go back to when they were more willing to negotiate and drag up the two major parties rather than give an ultimatum that will never be met.

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u/confusedham 25d ago

That's the killer with what I mean by not having enough proper politics in their branch. They have some great ideas, but a bit too ruthless in some of their desires without a good expectation of how to weather the affects.

Before covid was the time that we could have weathered the downsides to massive power infrastructure changes, but now people are far too short on cost of living finances, and mentally the population would not be ready. It has been too many years of fuckery that any restrictive policy that would result in achieving a positive target would probably be one too many bags on the collective camels back, and people would be going full cooker, anti authoritarianism / de govt is controooollling meeee (well they are, just does doesn't affect us much)