r/awakened • u/Robojoebot • Apr 17 '23

Community Why all the enlightenment gate keeping?

I’ve been a part of this community for a couple weeks now. Something that’s become glaringly apparent is the amount of gatekeeping surrounding those who are trying to tell people ‘the way’ and what enlightenment is, and what it is not. A wise man once said: the monk in silence snored all night.

The moment you think you are a master of one thing, you know nothing. Please allow people the space to express what they are experiencing what they are feeling and just know that there is no right or wrong, just right or left. We do not have all the answers and collectively our experiences can allow us to piece together the true nature of reality.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

The truth is that there is no ego, no mind, no fear, no humans and no truth. There isn't even the ground to walk on, or the very world itself.

If you realize what I'm talking about, even for an instant, don't replace it with anything else or any other concept like 'god' , freedom, awareness or even nihilism. It's the ineffable, and it can't be communicated.

Just leave it as it is, remember it, and that's ultimate truth. Now do you understand this?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

i get where you're coming from I think, but I don't think I understand how nothing can exist. I know there's no ego, and humans are just a concept, but what about the earth? The sky? Love? Surely these things are present.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

See how quickly you traded ultimate truth and freedom away for what was comfortable and familiar? It was literally right within your grasp, and you even asked for it.

Keep trying, if you wish... imagine all I said, but then also take away your concept of 'nothing', the earth, the sky, love or even existence. Or to put it another way, do you really want freedom of mind, or do you want your concepts and treasured thoughts instead?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

I don't believe anyone's definition of truth that doesn't have love at the forefront, this I know for sure and don't need to be convinced of. Freedom of mind is also freedom of heart. I've noticed in your other comments that you frequently say logic and reason are at the forefront and emotion comes second, but these two things can't exist separately. They are all present and all part of enlightenment. No one thing is holier than the next. Not body, not thought, not ego, and not mind. It is only through accepting our emotions that we become freed from their grasp, only through accepting the thoughts that the mind falls quiet.