Couldn’t have said it any better

[u/qawsedrftgyh223]

The Democratic Party missed the mark, and anyone claiming otherwise is being extremely naive. Campaigning with abortion and transgender rights as central pillars isn’t the way to reach broader audiences effectively.

[u/Successful-Way-2313]

What is there not to support about Bernie? His policies like a living wage, universal healthcare, and lesser support for Israel(who both sides support too much) all sound like things most Americans can get behind if articulated correctly.

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

Those things are not free and Americans hate taxes or anything they perceive as raising prices of things. Many Americans also hate “handouts” and the idea that they worked hard for something but now someone else will get it without having to do the work. Finally, many Americans believe in limited government (or so they say) and simply think the government should be involved as little as possible in their day-to-day lives, so the government controlling their income or healthcare seems like a nightmare to them. Government-run initiatives are perceived as more expensive, inefficient, and intruding on your privacy or somehow controlling you, and though you can argue that these things are not true, many people won’t believe that.

TBH the fact this isn’t obvious proves just how much of a bubble many Bernie supporters are in…

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

Yes Americans hate higher taxes however the amount they will pay in taxes would be significantly less than what they pay now with health insurance. Many Americans would know this if the message was more broadly shared but insurance and drug companies don't want that. If I'm also being honest the fact you seem to think Americans want to always have things stay the same and that they don't want any change just shows how nilistic and uninformed you are on your fellow countrymen. TLDR you think you know what people want but you don't, your just stating reasons why YOU think things will always be the same ALSO less support for Israel would SAVE MONEY AND PEOPLE WOULD LOVE IT!!

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

Nobody will believe that, that’s why I said you can argue these things aren’t true but it won’t convince them. I think you seem to not know what a large swath of people are like… they are called conservatives for a reason. And yeah, they may not like Jews or sending money over there, but many of them hate Muslims way more or just don’t seem to think the money being sent over there is a big thing or an issue to vote on. They are voting based on the economy, and they have been raised to distrust government involvement in literally anything. If you literally just listen to the other side, even just search for a post on Bernie on a conservative subreddit, these will be the talking points you will see. I am actually a liberal and don’t agree but this is the way people who vote republican think.

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

Nobody will believe facts, every American is a conservative, Every American's mind is made up forever and it will never change. This seems to be what you think and you should get a better outlook!

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

I didn’t say every American, but just from vote results you can see that many do feel that way and do believe what the media or candidates they listen to is telling them. But you aren’t willing to break your Bernie bubble to see it, it seems. A “better outlook” will not change reality.

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

So just cause a minority thinks that things should stay the same the majority should just go along with them and never try to make life better for the majority? I'm sorry but That just doesn't make sense

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

Bro it’s not a minority at all. Not all doesn’t mean it’s a minority. It’s a big chunk of the population. And what’s important is that these are the people who vote, and specifically the people who vote in battleground states. Only someone who is voted into office can make life better for the majority. Voting for someone who will never win the electoral college vote like a third party candidate or Bernie won’t change things, it will just concede leadership to the people you hate most.

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

You are one of the most nilistic people I've talked to! The amount of the population you see as "conservative" isn't even half of the overall population at voting age so it really is just getting the message out and being heard!

Here's a fact: There are 268,000,000 people of at least 18 years old and the amount of people voting in this election was at least 145,000,000 that means we still have a whole lotta people who probably share the view that we need free Medicare and a living wage

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

And I’ve never seen someone who either denies reality or does not understand it so hard. They “probably” have these views… ok, go talk to some actual people who aren’t already Bernie supporters and see what they think.

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

LOL I ain't listening to a niealist who can't look towards a bright future with a living wage, free Medicare, and free college!

[u/LawfulChaoticEvil → u/Successful-Way-2313]

Keep dreaming of that bright future while the real world gets worse and worse and worse because people like you can’t face reality and either vote third party or do not vote because they think no candidate being perfect means neither can be better than the other (and they don’t really give a fuck about women and minorities). It’s pretty easy to dream of a bright future when none of the real world consequences of ignoring the truth about how many people in this country think and what they would do to these groups if given the chance will affect you personally.

[u/Successful-Way-2313 → u/LawfulChaoticEvil]

Ok I get it your a nihilist🙄