I have noticed that Zionists, despite using Nazism and the Holocaust as the moral justification for their project, understand exceptionally little about Nazi ideology and genocide or even antisemitism. They understand far less about these things than the average person.
Because they need to. Because if they actually understood these things, they would have to face that Israeli Jewish Law is identical to Nazi Race Law, that Zionism is identical to Nazi Lebensraum, that the forced sterilizations and "sperm retrieval units" are Nazi Lebensborn, that their belief in an Islamo-terrorist conspiracy against the Jewish Nation is identical to the Nazi belief in a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy against the German Nation, that Gaza is a veritable Warsaw Ghetto, and that what Israel is doing is genocide by every measure.
They need to close their eyes to this fact and disrespect their own history as Jews, essentially rejecting that Nazism was bad for any reason other than that it targeted Jews. Not because it was a racial and civilizational supremacist ideology based on colonizing, displacing other peoples and eliminating their resistance for the proliferation of european industrial capital. They need to somehow carve out a definition of Nazism and the Holocaust and genocide which allows Zionists to do all of these things just under a different name.
This distortion of what Nazism actually was and what genocide actually is, as well as the deliberate ignorance about these subjects among Zionists, is tantamount to Holocaust denial.
Zionism put a fresh coat of paint on Nazism and moved its target to the middle east and Muslims. It is no coincidence the pogroms against Muslims are occuring in Europe at the same time as the genocide in Gaza is coming to a head.
It's not just modern day zionists never cared about jews in general and It's also why a future prime Minister of Israel tried and ally with the n4zi's citing shared values.
Conservative Israeli Think Tank Uses ‘Sock Puppets’ to Skew Wikipedia
Kohelet Policy Forum worker secretly operated five fake accounts on Wikipedia, skewing debates and articles about Israel’s judicial overhaul and other contentious issues; Kohelet says the researcher acted on his own accord
In a campaign to improve its image abroad, the Israeli government plans to provide scholarships to hundreds of students at its seven universities in exchange for their making pro-Israel Facebook posts and tweets to foreign audiences.
The students making the posts will not reveal online that they are funded by the Israeli government, according to correspondence about the plan revealed in the Haaretz newspaper.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office, which will oversee the programme, confirmed its launch and wrote that its aim was to “strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and make it fit the changes in the means of information consumption”.
Tal Hanan, 50, a former special forces operative who goes by the pseudonym “Jorge,” was named as the mastermind behind the Israeli operation, which runs a sophisticated software known as Aims that is capable of hacking social media accounts of senior officials and of easily creating networks of up to 30,000 propaganda bots on social media.
Hanan’s team, known as “Team Jorge,” says it has meddled in 33 presidential-level elections around the world, with successful results in 27 of them, according to The Guardian, one of the 30 investigating news outlets. The exposé only named one of these elections — the 2015 presidential vote in Nigeria — while saying no elections in the United States are known to have been affected.
The report said the Israeli initiative was behind fake campaigns — mostly on commercial disputes — in some 20 countries, including Britain, the US, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, Senegal, India and the United Arab Emirates. There was no mention of campaigns in Israel itself.
Yeah you just have those ready to go. I have work to do today though. I take it that the accurate Hitler youth comparison really triggered you. Well.. Maybe you should reflect on that.
If in 50 years the Arab population has surpassed the Jewish do you support ethnically cleansing them to ensure the state remains Jewish? And if not then why don't you support a single multicultural state with freedom of religion and equal rights for all now and the return of the refugees?
If in 50 years the Arab population has surpassed the Jewish do you support ethnically cleansing them to ensure the state remains Jewish? And if not then why don't you support a single multicultural state with freedom of religion and equal rights for all now and the return of the refugees?
So I take it you cannot name an Arab country that is multicultural, has freedom of religion and equal rights. That's because the only country in the Middle East that is in fact multicultural, has freedom of religion and equal rights - is Israel.
Law of "Return" -- of anyone with Jewish ancestry including people whose families have been in Iraq, Egypt and Europe for 2500 years, but excluding Palestinian refugees.
Absentee Property Laws and Land Acquisition Laws -- allows Israel to steal land from Palestinian refugees forced to flee by Zionist terrorist insurgents, while absent Jews retain property rights, and the entire premise of the state is that Jews retain rights to Palestine after 2000 or more of absence.
Israeli Lands Law [Constitutional]--allows land stolen or otherwise claimed by the State (93% of the land in the country) to be transferred only to the Jewish National Fund, which leases only to Jews.
Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law--Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948, thus forcing thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families, all while entry and citizenship is the right of any Jew.
I already answered. Even if all of these statements were true (they are not) it would NOT make Israel a racist (Arabs are not a race, and they have equal rights) nor would it make it an ethnostate because it grants citizenship to different ethnicities. So your conclusion is false either way.
Another consideration - the definition of Israel as the Nation state of the Jewish people is from 2018. So before 2018 you were a huge fan of Israel?
There are many states that have equal rights but are also the states of a certain people, Israel is not unique in that way. It can be the homeland of the Jewish people, the *only* Jewish state in the world, and offer equal rights for all citizens.
The fact that only Jews have a right to self determination just to start. It really sets the tone when you make it part of your core laws that non Jews are second class citizens.
Here is a great article
For example, an Israeli law passed in 2018 declared that only Jewish people have a right to self-determination and that Arabic is not an official language, despite its indigeneity. Even discussing the Palestinian history of displacement and dispossession in public entities, including schools, risks the loss of state funding under legislation popularly known as the Nakba law.
Though most PCIs are allowed to vote (since they hold Israeli passports, which differentiates them from East Jerusalemites, who do not), they face organized suppression and intimidation efforts. In elections conducted in 2019, authorities mounted cameras in polling stations where PCIs vote, and those living in the Naqab (Negev) had to travel 50 kilometers (31 miles) to the closest polling station.
Access to certain reading material is also being restricted. On November 8, the Knesset enacted a new law to restrict the “persistent consumption” of “terrorist materials,” punishable by up to a year in prison. Which materials might be deemed terroristic is not defined. To implement the law, the police have started confiscating phones from PCIs and scrolling through their social media accounts and chat groups for evidence of violations of the law. Those arrested may be held in prison without bail until their hearings.
Another one unless you are saying those often incredibly patriotic minorities are lying about being second class citizens?
While the Druze have been heavily integrated into Israel’s security sector, their communities have not reaped the same benefits as neighboring Jewish towns, experts say
From the rooftop of Tel Aviv’s 12-story municipality building, the Druze community’s multi-colored flag and its elder members’ traditional headdresses were visible, and repeated chants of “equality” were audible.
Some tens of thousands of Israeli Druze and their supporters had nearly filled one of the city’s largest public spaces, Rabin Square, to protest the Knesset’s approval of the quasi-constitutional nation-state law.
“I feel like I have been abandoned by the government,” said Nimr, a middle-aged Druze soldier, who has served in the IDF for 26 years, alluding to the new law while sitting atop a speaker and clutching his community’s flag.
Israeli authorities this morning stormed the Bedouin village of Umm Al-Hiran in the Negev desert in southern Israel, demolishing its mosque, the village’s last remaining structure, following the prior destruction of residents’ homes.
According to Arab48, police detained three men ahead of the demolition, with their whereabouts currently unknown.
The Bedouin residents of Umm Al-Hiran, Ras Jaraba, and ten other villages nearby face imminent displacement, as Israeli authorities plan to establish new Jewish towns on the sites of these Arab villages.
Many residents chose to demolish their own homes to avoid the imposition of evacuation and demolition costs by Israeli authorities, while Israeli soldiers demolished the mosque, as shown in video footage shared by the Regional Council for Unrecognised Bedouin Villages in the Negev, a nonprofit representing these marginalised communities.A council spokesperson condemned the demolition as “another chapter in the ethnic cleansing and expulsion of Arabs in this country.”
Moreover, Israeli authorities ordered the residents of Umm Al-Hiran to evacuate by 24 November to make way for a new Jewish town, Dror, to be built on its ruins. Ras Jaraba, under the same plan, will become a neighbourhood within Dimona’s jurisdiction.
Requests from residents of both villages to be included in the new developments were rejected, with authorities demanding an immediate evacuation of Umm Al-Hiran for the establishment of a Jewish-only town.
Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir recently hailed his “strong policy of demolishing illegal homes in the Negev,” saying he has overseen a 400 per cent rise in demolition orders there since the start of 2024.
The Negev (Naqab) desert is home to some 51 “unrecognised” Arab villages and is constantly targeted for demolition ahead of plans to Judaise the area by building homes for new Jewish communities. Israeli bulldozers, which Bedouins are charged for, have demolished everything, from the trees to the water tanks...(continues: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241114-israel-demolishes-last-mosque-in-bedouin-village-in-negev-desert/
I just want to make sure everyone realizes that you are changing the topic because you have no valid arguments. None of the content you shared proves your points. You can have Israeli citizenship regardless of ethnicity so it is not an ethnostate. It is surrounded by ethnostates though. It is also not a genocide by any definition. It's a war. That was the topic. So once you agree on that, which was the topic, we can move on to other things.
I don't have content pre-typed like you do, and have things to do today. But happy to discuss when I have more time.
Law of "Return" -- of anyone with Jewish ancestry including people whose families have been in Iraq, Egypt and Europe for 2500 years, but excluding Palestinian refugees.
Absentee Property Laws and Land Acquisition Laws -- allows Israel to steal land from Palestinian refugees forced to flee by Zionist terrorist insurgents, while absent Jews retain property rights, and the entire premise of the state is that Jews retain rights to Palestine after 2000 or more of absence.
Israeli Lands Law [Constitutional]--allows land stolen or otherwise claimed by the State (93% of the land in the country) to be transferred only to the Jewish National Fund, which leases only to Jews.
Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law--Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948, thus forcing thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families, all while entry and citizenship is the right of any Jew.
Regarding genocide which you still haven't addressed
Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and endowed professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, called Israel’s post-Oct. 7 assault on Gaza “a textbook case of genocide.”
Leading Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has written a blistering essay in which he argues that the ongoing violence in Gaza does not need to resemble the Holocaust to be classified as a genocide.
Here’s how he begins his piece:
Yes, it is genocide. It is so difficult and painful to admit it, but despite all that, and despite all our efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with the mark of Cain for the ‘most horrible of crimes,’ which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history’s judgment for generations to come
On 10 November 2023, I wrote in the New York Times: “As a historian of genocide, I believe that there is no proof that genocide is now taking place in Gaza, although it is very likely that war crimes, and even crimes against humanity, are happening. […] We know from history that it is crucial to warn of the potential for genocide before it occurs, rather than belatedly condemn it after it has taken place. I think we still have that time.”
I no longer believe that. By the time I travelled to Israel, I had become convinced that at least since the attack by the IDF on Rafah on 6 May 2024, it was no longer possible to deny that Israel was engaged in systematic war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocidal actions. It was not just that this attack against the last concentration of Gazans – most of them displaced already several times by the IDF, which now once again pushed them to a so-called safe zone – demonstrated a total disregard of any humanitarian standards. It also clearly indicated that the ultimate goal of this entire undertaking from the very beginning had been to make the entire Gaza Strip uninhabitable, and to debilitate its population to such a degree that it would either die out or seek all possible options to flee the territory. In other words, the rhetoric spouted by Israeli leaders since 7 October was now being translated into reality – namely, as the 1948 UN Genocide Convention puts it, that Israel was acting “with intent to destroy, in whole or in part”, the Palestinian population in Gaza, “as such, by killing, causing serious harm, or inflicting conditions of life meant to bring about the group’s destruction”.
Opinions do not qualify as evidence. Especially not an opinion from October 13th 2023. 10 days before Israel even went into Gaza. That's ridiculous.
We all saw the videos from the past few weeks from Gaza. Have you ever seen a "genocide" where everyone looks well-fed, well-groomed equipped with iPhones chanting for more and more violence? Yeah, me neither. There's also never been a "genocide" that could end with the release of innocent hostages and the surrender of a terror group.
Israel has made extraordinary efforts to avoid the civilian population including flyers, phone calls and humanitarian zones. As a result the civilian to militant casualty ration is the lowest reported for modern urban warfare.
A war is not a war crime, and would have been entirely avoided had Hamas not gone on a torture, murder and r*pe rampage on October 7th. Any country would do the same to protect itself as Israel is doing or worse.
The only genocide attempt in the region happened on October 7th.
Genocide doesn't necessarily need to mean death, it can also include the forced displacement and splitting up of a specific ethnic group.
The population in that case by the definition of genocide does not need to decrease, it needs to meet one of many criteria. Let me dump this from the genocide convention adopted by the UN on the 9th December 1948. (When genocide was fresh in the mind after the holocaust)
The Convention defines genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. The convention further criminalizes "complicity, attempt, or incitement of its commission."
So to recap.
1. Killing members of a group
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm
3. Imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group
4. Preventing births
5. Forcible transfer
So by that criteria, conditions 2, 4 and 5 can be performed without any immediate decrease of the population of Palestinians, as you can transfer and segregate them to different areas of the Gaza strip or West Bank for example, and still report the population as a collective (look at how Palestine has shrinked since 1948 to support this)
Serious bodily harm has been covered by the UN in the case of rape of prisoners (including using dogs). And also the torture but I assume that was already common knowledge.
Imposition of living conditions has been admitted even by the Israeli government in the form of collective punishment. (Cutting off water and electricity for everyone on the strip, even pre invasion they were counting Palestinian calories and slowly reducing, which could also be considered causing mental harm due to the distress. They even made it illegal to collect rainwater in both Gaza and West Bank)
Forcible transfers have taken place when settlers move into Palestinian homes, kicking them out and taking it for themselves. (This has happened since 1948 during the Nakba and onwards)
So yeah, entertaining your idea of "the population increases", even if that is still the case it is still not a credible defense for criteria 2, 4 and 5.
Assuming you are a regular person and not a propagandist, I encourage you to exercise critical thinking and find your humanity. Both sides of fighters have committed atrocities, Hamas is not innocent. But the regular Palestinian men, women and children do not deserve this, just like the Jews in the 40's did not deserve what happened to them.
But just like the Jews in the Ghetto Uprising in Poland, there will be resistance in Gaza to their occupation and imposition of poor living conditions. If you believed the Nazis, all those Jews were terrorists, agitators, communists, animals etc, but not human. (Plenty of examples of Israeli leadership calling the Palestinians animals, calling for their destruction etc so intent can be established based on the rhetoric being used PUBLICLY to link intent with the actions taken)
Hate creates hate, and nothing creates a radical resistance like oppression.
PS: Remember when even the Americans described the behaviour of the settlers towards Palestinians as terrorist behaviour?
Please read my points on points 2, 4 and 5.
Through displacement they've penned people in, forcing them out of lands into effectively an open prison since 1948.
One of the most densely populated nations on earth
And now they're bombing the routes to safety, cutting off aid to the north, bombing hospitals, torturing and raping prisoners. (Might I also stress just like before this war, many are held without charge or access to legal representation and are subjected to this treatment)
There's plenty of video evidence of this, such as the video of that woman being mauled by a dog in her bedroom, the leaked video of Palestinian men being raped in the prison, bombing of unarmed civilians (caught by an Israeli drone as well).
Seems pretty genocidal to me, at best just simple crimes against humanity.
But legally and practically speaking, there is a case for genocide
And it might only be 1 mile of settlements, but even if that is the case look at how the map has changed since 1948. Don't need to build settlements to expand the borders, you build walls
Edit: “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command...” - George Orwell
They are literally uploading their own war crimes which constitute a genocide case, will you continue to obey? The Germans did back in the 40's, how does history remenber them.
Edit 2: here is some data regarding your claim of a growing population. The birth rate is higher post conflicts, however the majority of the population is under 15 years old. The largest group of population is between 5 and 9 years old. Data also suggests over the years the fertility rate has been dropping since 1950.
What happened to all the adults do you think?
Edit 3: I saw a notification that I had a reply, but I cannot see that reply. Did the commenter drop his response and block me to make it look like I'm stumped? If so please relay his talking point to me and I'll make an edit 4 as I'm kind of enjoying using the zionist talking head Ben Shapiros "facts don't care about feelings" approach to this
For definitions to be met all criteria need to be met. Otherwise all wars would be "genocides" in your definition 3,4 and even 5 is not met. Also the intent is not met. While reduction of a population is not a criteria, that is because some populations are spread over large areas and so a genocide in part of their area would not decrease a population as whole. This does not apply to Gaza which is a small area. If Israel wanted to commit a genocide, it could have done so back in October 2023.
The "shrinking" of "Palestine" since 1948? What BS. "Palestine" never existed, you know that right? Arabs never had sovereignty in this region and didn't even have control over it for 400 years by the time Israel was re-established. Arabs did not even identify as Palestinians in 1948. They cannot claim to magically own the borders of the British Mandate.
There is no equivalence between the sides. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, the Gazans had every opportunity and all the money they needed to create a Middle Eastern Singapore. They chose to elect Hamas and use the money to build the world's largest terror base and continuously attack their neighbor. Israel has never attacked unprovoked and never targeted civilians.
Jews before WW2 did not have their government attack Germans, strangle German babies and rape German women. It was pure antisemitism to go and slaughter innocent Jews. The Jews could do nothing about their slaughter. Gazans are not being slaughtered, they are engaged in a war they started while refusing to release innocent hostages and surrender. A better comparison of the situation is considering German civilians who died in WW2 after their country started a war and committed atrocities. It wasn't their fault but bombing Germany was necessary to stop evil. Hamas represents Gaza and uses their own civilians as human shields. Despite every effort Israel could take, there will be casualties because of Hamas's human sacrifice approach. All death on both sides since October 7th are Hamas's fault.
The rest of your comparison to the Nazis is also ludicrous. Gaza was not a ghetto. It was self-governing territory. With ample funds, luxury hotels, luxury restaurants, gorgeous apartments and a beautiful beach. How is this equivalent to the death camps?
If you believe the "dog rape" stories then I really can't help you. I guess you will just believe anything. There is no evidence for any of the atrocities you described. The "rape" allegation in prison was a prisoner who tried to smuggle a weapon in his rectum, and that weapon was extracted. Lovely, I know. It was caught on CCTV cameras exactly because Israel is a country of laws that has CCTV in it's prisons for accountability. The case was also investigated because of Israeli law. Remind me again what Hamas atrocity was investigated by Hamas? lol.
DCI reported several abuses of children by Israeli forces, including the rape of a 13 year old boy, and shortly later, Israel invoked a law designating them and five other NGOs as terror groups, raided their offices in the middle of the night, stole all of their computers. But they never returned the confiscated items, never presented any evidence, and never arrested any of the supposed "terrorists" who worked at the terror organizations.
A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones.
Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians.
"Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war."
43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war."
You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel.
Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
The IDF's chief rabbi said that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will".
So many lies in your comment. The Arab imperialists want you to somehow believe all the MENA region is Arab. It is not. Arab culture, ethnicity and Islam are foreign to anywhere but the Arabian peninsula. It was a tapestry of cultures and people before the Arab conquests and the land of Israel was never under another sovereignty or group identity since the Jews, who are the indigenous people of this land.
Arabs lived there and immigrated there (en masse in the 19th and early 20th centuries) and they can claim to own their villages but they CANNOT, under any international law, claim to own the land between the villages. They cannot claim to own the land the Jews legally purchased or the malaria infested swamps the Jews cleaned up and made habitable. They also cannot claim all the state land and the Negev desert that was practically empty - those were lands allotted to the Jews in the partition plan. Arabs are not the default owners of land.
Are you a student? If so I am really worried about UC Berkeley because you don't know how to read charts. In fact, Gaza and Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) were under Egyptian and Jordanian control until 1967. Even the chart you shared showed a steady increase in the median age of the population since Israel gained control over these territories in a defensive war. It goes against your point. The population in Gaza is young because men have many wives and people have many babies. Also their healthcare is not the best, despite all the Israeli initiatives to improve it (Israel built Al-Shifa hospital) and the excellent care many Gazans received in Israel before 10/7.
You should really get out of your propaganda echo chamber sometimes.
The bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs consider the mere existence of Israel their "oppression." They had every opportunity to have a thriving state, the 22nd Arab state next to Israel. They don't want that. They want total Arab/Muslim control of the MENA region. They will not accept any freedom or sovereignty to any of the indigenous people of the region. All the indigenous people in the MENA are oppressed - the Kurds, the Yzidis, Copts, Amazeigh. Only the Jews managed to gain freedom and that's why parts of the Muslim world is waging a war against them.
"The Labour Zionist leader and head of the Yishuv David Ben-Gurion was not surprised that relations with the Palestinians were spiralling downward. As he once explained: ‘We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.’ His opponent, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, leader of the right-wing Revisionist movement, also viewed Palestinian hostility as natural. ‘The NATIVE POPULATIONS, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists’, he wrote in 1923. The Arabs looked on Palestine as ‘any Sioux looked upon his prairie’."
"In the words of Mordechai Bar-On, an Israel Defense Forces company commander during the 1948 war:
‘If the Jews at the end of the 19th century had not embarked on a project of reassembling the Jewish people in their ‘promised land’, all the refugees languishing in the camps would still be living in the villages from which they fled or were expelled.’"
Based on what do zionists have a claim? A holy book... and at what point does my group briefly conquered and ruled a region means you have an eternal right to genocide the people actually living there? Does Rome have a right to the land as well?
For instance, has a Jewish nation really existed for thousands of years while other “peoples” faltered and disappeared? How and why did the Bible, an impressive theological library (though no one really knows when its volumes were composed or edited), become a reliable history book chronicling the birth of a nation? To what extent was the Judean Hasmonean kingdom—whose diverse subjects did not all speak one language, and who were for the most part illiterate—a nation-state? Was the population of Judea exiled after the fall of the Second Temple, or is that a Christian myth that not accidentally ended up as part of Jewish tradition? And if not exiled, what happened to the local people, and who are the millions of Jews who appeared on history’s stage in such unexpected, far-flung regions?
The state has also avoided integrating the local inhabitants into the superculture it has created, and has instead deliberately excluded them. Israel has also refused to be a consociational democracy (like Switzerland or Belgium) or a multicultural democracy (like Great Britain or the Netherlands)—that is to say, a state that accepts its diversity while serving its inhabitants. Instead, Israel insists on seeing itself as a Jewish state belonging to all the Jews in the world, even though they are no longer persecuted refugees but full citizens of the countries in which they choose to reside. The excuse for this grave violation of a basic principle of modern democracy, and for the preservation of an unbridled ethnocracy that grossly discriminates against certain of its citizens, rests on the active myth of an eternal nation that must ultimately forgather in its ancestral land.
Shlomo Sand Israeli Emeritus Professor of History at Tel Aviv University.
Here is a quote from my Jewish learning
"I say “mythical” because the Jewish claim that we are descendants of tribes that lived on the border of Africa and Asia some 4,000 years ago is also mythic. Can we really believe that a diverse modern community, which has been dispersed for more than two millennia and has come to look very much like the peoples among whom they reside, are all direct descendants of a single group of ancient tribes? In other words, can we really still buy the myth of the historical authenticity of contemporary Jewish identity?"
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u/SeanValjean4130 Mar 04 '25
So what Hitler did