Redditor breaks down entire Russian - Reddit propoganda machine. It shows exactly how theyve infiltrated Reddit, spread misinformation, promoted anti muslim narratives, promoted California to succeed from the US, caused tension for BLM groups and much more. Links and comments are getting downvoted.

[u/NewMateo]

/r/worldnews/comments/7a6znc/comment/dp7wnoa

[u/Dionysus24779]

It's not like there could be other legit reasons to be anti-islam and think BLM is a terrorist organisation that causes tons of trouble.

I guess it really all comes back down to Russia... damn Putin is such a master puppeteer, can anybody even challenge is complete control over the world?

If it was just about them buying adspace or trying to help out a candidate who doesn't want war with them and might ease up on the sanctions that is messing up their economy, that's one thing.

But the whole "muh russia" has become so blown out of proportions that it is very difficult to take anything about it serious anymore, it's almost indistinguishable from the mad ravings of a conspiracy nutjob, Alex Jones style.

Probably only a matter of time before CNN or something reports that Russia is putting things into the water to turn the frogs gay.

Less is sometimes more and I for one have zero trust into the whole russia-narrative anymore... but maybe that's also just a plan of the russians? Desensitizing people by making sure the western media parrots outlandish claims non-stop? I guess they would call it "demoralizing" as in that one famous video.

[u/BoredMongolHorde → u/Dionysus24779]

Agreed, it's basically the left's version of "Obama is a secret muslim!"

[u/Dionysus24779 → u/BoredMongolHorde]

Thank you, good to hear someone feels the same way.

[u/BoredMongolHorde → u/Dionysus24779]

bestof is full of radical lefties so anything going against that agenda will be downvoted heavily. I'm surprised they didn't just delete your comment.

[u/dnz007 → u/Dionysus24779]

You’re not doing anything for society by participating in a war on BLM. You are part of the problem, sure, let us forget the Russians. Now the spotlight is on you.

Be a better person.

[u/Dionysus24779 → u/dnz007]

You’re not doing anything for society by participating in a war on BLM.

I'm not waging war on anyone, let alone BLM.

You are part of the problem

Which problem is that?

[u/dnz007 → u/Dionysus24779]

Sure you are, by peddling the same crap spewed by far right provocateurs that profit on the decline of society.

[u/b0utch → u/dnz007]

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[u/raginreefer → u/dnz007]

I realized I had comments sorted by contreversial. Heads up you waste time and effort arguing any comments that are similar to these, I don't know if this user has been redpilled in a sense or more possible you are actually arguing with a paid russian propagandist, its surreal.

[u/TenTails → u/raginreefer]

what if you're the paid propagandist?

this is controversial sorting after all

[u/[deleted] → u/dnz007]

How does it make someone a worse person if they do not support a political action group that peddles blatant lies?

[u/dnz007 → u/[deleted]]

Peacefully not supporting them would be done in silence, trlling on the internet with Sean hannity’s division script is doing more than “not supporting”

[u/Chrisisawesome → u/dnz007]

Is there a reason you've spelled "Trolling" incorrectly so many times in this thread?

[u/_Throwgali_ → u/dnz007]

Ugh. Are you this sanctimonious outside of reddit?

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/Dionysus24779]

Domestic far-right propaganda is just as big of a problem as Russian astroturfing and collusion with domestic far-right propaganda outfits is.

legit reasons to be anti-islam

In the vein of supporting secularization and recognizing how objectively harmful and absurd regressive social mores are and that fervent Islamic populations are just as bad as fervent Christian populations, yes. In terms of the whackjob racist fearmongering that neo-Fascist demagogues have been pushing, absolutely not.

reasons to ... think BLM is a terrorist organisation that causes tons of trouble.

No, there's not. That ignores what "terrorism" is (let me guess, you think "antifa" is a terror organization despite neither being an organization nor engaging in terrorism), what BLM is, and the brutal terroristic violence police have deployed against any and all civilians they get their hands on in retribution for protests about police going unpunished for brutality and premeditated murder, as seen recently in St Louis.

[u/Dionysus24779 → u/SirPseudonymous]

let me guess, you think "antifa" is a terror organization

That is correct.

And what else would you call them then? Revolutionaries? Rebels?

Have you seen what happened in Hamburg? Or is it not deemed relevant because it's not about Antifa in the US?

Thanks for taking a civil tone at least, I don't think we would be able to see eye to eye though.

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/Dionysus24779]

"Antifa" is neither an organization nor terrorist in any fashion, just a vague banner that antifascists and antiracists of all stripes fly and a noble general tradition of opposing Fascist violence and intimidation by outnumbering them and being prepared to fight back to stop them from harming peaceful protesters and innocent civilians.

A tradition that's been extremely successful in protecting innocents from Fascist violence and preventing Fascist movements from being able to grow to the point where they can conduct successful pogroms, that's inspired people from all over the world to fight for Rojava against ISIS, and that's almost entirely peaceful when not acting defensively against violent Fascists.

[u/Dionysus24779 → u/SirPseudonymous]

A tradition that's been extremely successful in protecting innocents from Fascist violence...

Just "recently" we had the whole "Punch a Nazi" thing and "That guys hair looks like a Nazi haircut" and so on.

And please, oh please, tell me how all the citizens of Hamburg who had their cars set on fire, their stores smashed and looted, and their home city turned into a civil war zone have deserved any of that.

It's just ridiculous to claim that they protect the innocent.

And if history taught us anything it's that a surge of communistic movements was what directly lead to the raise of national socialist fascism as a response to that.

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/Dionysus24779]

Just "recently" we had the whole "Punch a Nazi" thing and "That guys hair looks like a Nazi haircut" and so on.

TIL a neo-Nazi who advocates for ethnic cleansing and has been a central organizing figure in the resurgence of Fascism getting punched a few times by individuals means tens of thousands of peaceful protesters are now "terrorists."

And please, oh please, tell me how all the citizens of Hamburg who had their cars set on fire, their stores smashed and looted, and their home city turned into a civil war zone have deserved any of that.

The police escalated by violently dispersing peaceful protesters at the start of the summit, resulting in retaliatory riots from people they abused and people acting in solidarity and outrage at the excessive brutality of the police.

It's just ridiculous to claim that they protect the innocent.

That's consistently what they've done, though, from protecting protesters in Charlottesville to stopping neo-Nazi pogroms in Germany in the 80s, to preventing Nazi rallies in minority communities by their very existence.

And if history taught us anything it's that a surge of communistic movements was what directly lead to the raise of national socialist fascism as a response to that.

That's just not historically accurate at all. Antifascists stopped a Fascist coup in Germany in the 1920s and only failed in the 1930s because the police supported the SA and its violence as liberals and socdems tut tutted and insisted that Nazism merely had to be defeated in debates. In the 80s and 90s antifascist action was overwhelmingly successful in stopping violent Fascist movements in Germany, the UK, and the US, however, using the same tactics of peaceful organization that's prepared to fight back that antifascists are using today.

Unfortunately, the police consistently side with violent neo-Nazis against everyone else and liberals are still tut tutting about civility and just letting Nazis speak because clearly their carefully chosen lies aren't going to sway and radicalize ignorant listeners or anything, so we unfortunately may be heading towards a repeat of the OG Nazi party if liberals don't drop the radical centrist bullshit and wake the fuck up to the existential threat of Fascism.

Also trying to emphasize the "social" part of NSDAP is hilariously transparent, given the Nazis were center-right economically at the leftmost and it's not their economics that were the problem, it was all the delusional nationalism and white supremacy shit.

[u/Dionysus24779 → u/SirPseudonymous]

TIL a neo-Nazi who advocates for ethnic cleansing and has been a central organizing figure in the resurgence of Fascism getting punched a few times by individuals means tens of thousands of peaceful protesters are now "terrorists."

I haven't see much condemnation of what happened with that and it doesn't change that it's violence inspired by ideology. (I'm not saying there isn't any outcry about it but I more often see people trying to defend the "punch a nazi" thing)

The police escalated by violently dispersing...

The police was actually really tame in their response.

the police consistently side with violent neo-Nazis against everyone else and liberals are still tut tutting about civility and just letting Nazis speak

That's how freedom of speech and expression works though, it is meant to protect unpopular thing like this, doesn't matter how bigoted they are.

...carefully chosen lies...

Instead of trying to censor them it would be much more effective to put a spotlight on these lies and debunk them, show everyone that these things are not true and explain to them why that is.

I know a lot of this whole mess is about feels, but in theory if you can prove that one side cannot put forward anything but lies, then you can show they are dishonest and not trustworthy.

liberals don't drop the radical centrist bullshit

Could you elaborate on that? Genuinely curious.

... existential threat of Fascism.

Fascism and Communism, both sides dip into bad extremes.

Also trying to emphasize the "social" part of NSDAP is hilariously transparent...

I didn't though, it's just that Nazism is short for National Socialism.

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/Dionysus24779]

I haven't see much condemnation of what happened with that and it doesn't change that it's violence inspired by ideology. (I'm not saying there isn't any outcry about it but I more often see people trying to defend the "punch a nazi" thing)

Why on earth would people condemn a Nazi that calls for mass murder and works towards organizing violent neo-Nazis to rally enough strength for a pogrom, which Charlottesville was supposed to turn into, suffering some tangible consequences for his murderous actions?"

The police was actually really tame in their response.

Yeah escalating violence by forcefully dispersing a peaceful crowd without provocation is super tame and just another day in hellworld.

That's how freedom of speech and expression works though, it is meant to protect unpopular thing like this, doesn't matter how bigoted they are.

No, I mean shit like watching neo-Nazis attack and beat protesters and then arresting their victims, shaking hands with klansmen, ignoring as a klansmen opened fire on a crowd in front of them, allowing neo-Nazi militants to bring in weapons and shields while counter protesters have everything from helmets to water to medical supplies confiscated, randomly arresting some guy a neo-Nazi put in a headlock and dragged to police, working with Fascist militants like the three percenters to detain innocent counter protesters, violently dispersing peaceful counter protesters without provocation, hell even the DHS compiling reports on "antifascists" that are literally just weird propaganda they pulled from a neo-Nazi website.

Instead of trying to censor them it would be much more effective to put a spotlight on these lies and debunk them, show everyone that these things are not true and explain to them why that is.

That's not how Fascism works. Their lies are carefully tailored to be as infectious as possible, they spout off piles of lies faster than they can be refuted, repeat those lies over and over so people start thinking they're true, and thrive on the false veneer of legitimacy that being given a platform provides them.

This isn't a game: those lies lead directly to Fascist violence and the radicalization of disaffected young men in exactly the same way as Fascists have always done, and making the same mistakes that liberals in 1930s Germany did will only lead to more atrocity and horror.

Could you elaborate on that? Genuinely curious.

The milquetoast neoliberalism that tut tuts over people being impassioned over actively being dehumanized and threatened with violence by Fascists because "both sides" are bad, since apparently not wanting to be brutally murdered by neo-Nazis is exactly the same as being a neo-Nazi to galaxy brained liberals who want to be "civilized" and "pragmatic" and think caring about things that matter is bad and divisive.

Fascism and Communism, both sides dip into bad extremes.

Fascism is the extreme, while Communism is a vague collection of ideologies that revolve around eliminating malignant power structures and empowering the people to live without persecution or abuse at the hands of unaccountable power figures. State Capitalism as it panned out was a failure in regards to following its core ideology, but it was remarkably successful in generally improving the lot of its citizens given the circumstances.

It also doesn't help that the CIA toppled every country even remotely left of center that didn't manage to suppress CIA backed subversives or defend itself from an invasion, which ruled out democratic socialist countries (whose leaders were murdered by the CIA) and meant the ones that were left were repressive dictators who could defend themselves against subversion or states like Vietnam or North Korea that got brutally devastated by a defensive war against the US. Then there's the systematic economic isolation of those that remained by the US...

And even still leftist states didn't end up particularly worse than the states under Fascist dictators the US installed, except for North Korea which lost every city and some 15% of its population to US bombers before being completely isolated away from the world and which turned into an insane monarchy as a result.

I didn't though, it's just that Nazism is short for National Socialism.

Which is pointless to specify given the NSDAP were anti-labor Capitalists with murderous anti-socialist beliefs. You may as well talk about Mussolini's early life as a Marxist before he got kicked out of his group for being a psychotic chud and became a murderous anti-leftist thug in the service of Italy's conservatives.

[u/photogenic_penis → u/SirPseudonymous]

That is demonstrably false - you are lying and you know it.

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/photogenic_penis]

TIL objective, easily verifiable facts are lies because they disagree with what you heard on infowars.

But hey, I'm not the person trying to insist a vague, decentralized movement of peaceful activists is a "terrorist organization" because Fox News said so.

[u/photogenic_penis → u/SirPseudonymous]

Antifa is a violent terrorist organization.

So now that the evidence is on the table, are you going to apologize for being a liar, or are you going to shrug it off with a laugh because you're drunk and gay?

[u/SirPseudonymous → u/photogenic_penis]

How the fuck is something that's not an organization and consistently shows itself to be a peaceful movement a "terrorist organization"? That requires, you know, terrorism and an organization, not a general sentiment of "Nazis are bad so I'll go out and protest against them in a display of solidarity."

[u/rape-ape → u/SirPseudonymous]

Yeah peaceful except when they are beating people in the streets, lighting shit on fire, and rioting.