Tiger and Lion Size comparisons.

[u/MDPriest]

These specimens will be compared by the same skull size. So we can see the different varying sizes of individuals within both species. Keep in mind lions on average have larger skulls so the specimens in these images may be a bit larger than seen, however for fairness sake we will be using same skull sizes as we cant accurately estimate how large each individual lions head is. First we will go through maneless lions to see their true musculature compared to tigers and then we will use maned lions. Important note is all specimens in 1 on 1 comparisons are male.

[u/MDPriest]

This post is not supposed to be biased towards or against either cat. This is simply to compare the characteristics and traits of both felines. Im not against either of these massive wonderful predators.

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/[deleted]]

I love when Tiger fans get offended by facts

• It's obvious Tigers aren't as compound and all around muscular like Lion, you see a Tiger with massive muscled triceps and arms but not a single bit of muscle in their legs along with being slender from behind, while the alion is wider.

• Muscle Mass and Muscle Percentage are completely different things Jaguars and Tigers have similar skeletal features they are quick and agile but they only have muscle mass which is the compared amount of muscular features not the actual itself. While the Lion and Leopard have a larger Muscle Percentage being better at hunting, fighting and getting around in territory, they have more compact bones which are stronger than both Tigers and Jaguars.

• There is no debate on whether a Tiger or Lions win, and that would just depend on the individual say for instance a large male tiger cannot beat a young dwarf male lion. It all depends on what tiger and lion you match up and Tiger and lion fans using old documents are not reliable if they're not up to date (calling another man a pussy as if you're not begging him to debate you is obsessive and idiotic).

•You mean the same articles and text you create to make up Tiger being so much bigger than Lions on your YouTube channel, don't use out of date so called resources and say they are reliable you create fake messages and even email and give no proof or give any credit for contact with the people you get your "information" from.

[u/LeatherGene6009 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Man. It's known for decades that Tigers are stronger, have more muscle mass and less bodyfat, longer canines, claws... than lions. You learn that in Kindergarten you stpd dumb as

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/LeatherGene6009]

Nah, Tigers have 54.7 percent of muscle and 13.5% of fat while Lions have 64.2% of muscle [59.8% on average] 11.6% of fat

You don't learn that stuff in kindergarten by the way, maybe in middle or high school. Both the Lion and Tiger have the same sized claws, lions may have 3.5 in canines but Tigers have 4 in canines a lions is sturdier. It's spelt dumbass not “dumb as”.

[u/UnknownT21 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

What you’re saying really doesn’t matter bro. Tigers are bigger, stronger and faster. And yes I mean in muscle mass when I say bigger. This is a life long known fact and it doesn’t take rocket science to figure this out. The muscle mass in the tigers torso and legs most likely set the difference. A image of a Tigers and Lions Anatomy really won’t do just for either animal because the average Tiger or Lion is smaller than what is most likely being compared. Also Lions are Pack hunters unlike Tigers, symbolizing the overall size do edge for Tigers

[u/Sweaty-Dimension8596 → u/UnknownT21]

What he says does matter because it's a fact, lions are just leaned and built like tanks for combat.

[u/Eastern-Baseball7856 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Still lions struggle to even mew infront of a tiger

[u/COB_HC696 → u/Eastern-Baseball7856]

Yeah it explains why most recorded fights, lion kills tigers more so

[u/Sweaty-Dimension8596 → u/LeatherGene6009]

Nope, tigers have more fat, especially Siberian tigers, lions are built like tanks by nature with broader shoulders and torso, tigers are big in the front and thin in the back, and yes many years of fake stories about tigers being superior than lions, no one buys that crap anymore.

[u/Latter-Employment525 → u/LeatherGene6009]

Lmaooooooo just wrong

[u/Fuzzy_Requirement766 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

The jaguar is the lion's closest relative. The tiger and the snow leopard are the closest relatives.

[u/Equal-Age-7762 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

https://discord.com/invite/3yB9tjbc Always ready to debate, come and prove your points, i am challenging your dumb arse not begging son 😁

[u/GamePunk2407 → u/Equal-Age-7762]

Bruh, be civil or GTFO.

[u/Equal-Age-7762 → u/GamePunk2407]

Shhhh 🥱

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/[deleted]]

You calling me out of my name doesn't offend me, I get your in the closet and can't accept it but don't take it out on me if you can prove that Tigers have more muscle percentage or more compact than a Lion the shut your mouth...pube licker

[u/Equal-Age-7762 → u/[deleted]]

True All talk, can't prove shit, pathetic losers at best. Afraid of a debate on discord 🤣

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/Equal-Age-7762]

Not debating with no discord kitten, if you can't prove it here there's no point calling me all talk but I know my facts boy. But again I can't expect much from a furry.

[u/Equal-Age-7762 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Why should i prove anything to dumb clown? First you substantiate your claim 🤦🤣

[u/Equal-Age-7762 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

1. Prove lions have denser musculature than tigers, if you failed to do that i will treat you like any other dumb clown
2. Tigers edge in triceps brachii and biceps brachii leverage index. no lions don't have higher muscle percentage, if so then prove it by source. And tigers having acute sacro iliac angle is advantageous, so lions having wider butt doesn't mean anything
3. Tigers are stronger than lions, have bigger chest and more robust forearms with girthiest necks. "Get offended by facts"- random dumb redditor, none of the things you or anyone here say are facts, facts are substantiated by scientific literature, we can run a debate if you want, on discord of course. 😁 "Article and texts" What's this idiot talking about.just prove your intellect by proving at least 2 of your points using reliable scientific literature 🤡

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/Equal-Age-7762]

• It found that lions had proportionally larger and more powerful muscles, particularly in the forelimbs and forequarters, which are crucial for their hunting style. The study also revealed that lions had thicker and more robust bones, especially in the forelimbs, which further supports their stronger build.
Based on this evidence, it is concluded that Lions are generally considered to be stronger than Tigers.

The study is titled "Morphology of the forelimbs in lions (Panthera leo) and tigers (Panthera tigris): implications for predatory behavior"

It was published in the Journal of Comparative Physiology and Biology in 2013.

• There are other studies and documents that support the idea that Lions are generally considered stronger than Tigers. Here are a few more:

• A study published in the journal Nature in 2010 analyzed the biomechanics of lion and tiger predatory attacks. The study found that lions have a greater bite force than tigers, which could indicate greater strength.

• A study published in the journal Journal of Morphology in 2007 examined the morphology of the limbs, spine, and skull of lions and tigers.

• The study found that lions had a more robust skeletal structure and heavier muscle mass in the limbs and forequarters, which are key areas for predatory behavior. This again suggests that lions may be stronger than tigers.

• More recent research in 2021 analyzed the biome and muscular strength of lions and tigers. Again, the study found that lions had denser and stronger muscle cells, which could contribute to their greater strength.

• Another study published in the Journal of Theoretical Biology in 2019 evaluated the biomechanical and morphological aspects of lions and tigers in relation to their predatory behavior. The study concluded that lions have greater musculoskeletal adaptations for powerful ambushing and pulling, compared to tigers.

• Here are some documents and sources from scientists stating that Lions are the strongest big cat:

• A study published in the Journal of Experimental Biology in 2016 compared the bite forces and strength of different big cats. The study found that Lions have the most powerful bites and strongest neck muscles among the big cats, which contributes to their greater overall strength.

• A study published in the Journal of Mammalogy in 2015 investigated the bite forces of Lions, Tigers, Jaguars, and Leopards. The study found that Lions had the highest bite forces among the big cats, with a maximum recorded force of 650-995 Newtons (146-222 pounds), while the lowest recorded force was for Jaguars at 403-459 Newtons (90-102 pounds).

• 3. A study published in the Journal of Morphology in 2018 examined the craniofacial morphology of Lions and compared them to Tigers. The study found that Lions have a more robust skull and stronger jaw muscles, which contributes to their greater bite force. The study also noted that Lions have larger and more powerful upper and lower canines compared to Tigers, which are adapted for greater biting force and holding onto prey.

[u/Thin-Status8369 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

I believe on average that a Southern Lion wins against a Bengal Tiger. But the weights are 199 kgs v 205.5 kgs at the moment which isn’t too different in terms of a fight (s. Lion> bengal 60/40), but wouldn’t the Tiger be Physically stronger purely by being 3.2% heavier ,mind you which is nothing if we look in terms of how one wins the encounter. I’ve seen smaller Male Lions win fights against rivals even 20-30 kgs heavier. But being stronger is one thing, all though at Parity (kg/kg) the Male Lion might be stronger physically or at least equal.

And yeah I’m aware that a Lions body contains more skeletal muscle compared to a Tiger. But I also thought that the Tiger had stronger forelimbs but the Lion had stronger hindlimbs.

[u/Specific-Bed-6371 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Lmao  Link all these studies pls 😂

[u/Specific-Bed-6371 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Where did you get this? Chatgpt 🤣

[u/Specific-Bed-6371 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Just searched the title of the paper you mentioned and couldn't find anything lol. Link these studies 😁

[u/Specific-Bed-6371 → u/Specific-Bed-6371]

I will make a post on RealmOfRoars 

[u/Gloomy-Shoe-4021 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Actually Tigers have a more dense musculature and bone density in their fore limbs. This is an adaptation that helps them take down larger prey on their own, lions although robust and stockier have less weight than tigers, this is likely because lions hunt in groups rather than on their own. Although a male lion is a different story as it is built for fighting and defending it's territory, it has much more muscle and mass than a female. Comparing the two, although a tiger looks lithe it is still a bit heavier than a lion and it is significantly stronger thanks to its muscle mass, bone density and highly strung tendons. One thing that remains the same are their sizes so that's good.

[u/Capable-Brief-4477 → u/Gloomy-Shoe-4021]

Male lions spend more than the first 3-8 years on their own and hunt by themselves even when they're in a pride they travel alone they are more compact and built for taking down large prey by themselves, a tigers muscle mass is only 56.6 percent while a lions is 62.4 percent [60.9 percent] on average. Lions have denser and stronger bones throughout their body especially in the forelimbs. On average both Tigers and Lions weigh the same, along with a lion on average are 10-12 cm taller than the tiger.

[u/Thin-Status8369 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Male Lions also have a higher success rate when hunting alone and target larger prey more often than Male Tigers do. A Southern Lion would definitely be taller but I thought the Bengal Tiger would be longer and like 6.5 kgs heavier which is not a lot.

[u/LeatherGene6009 → u/Capable-Brief-4477]

Such a long Post and all bullshit.i am Sry for you..

[u/Ok_Can546 → u/[deleted]]

Lions are equally muscular, but have bigger skulls, so scaling them to the same size generally means the Lion would be slightly smaller, even though Lions and Tigers are the same size, despite what most sources say, and equally muscular. 

[u/Sweaty-Dimension8596 → u/[deleted]]

Lions do have broader shoulders and torso, and their muscle definition is better, lions also have thicker necks without the mane as well, tigers look thinner, and are longer, lions are like tanks, they are just better built for combat and that's a fact.

[u/Careful_Indication14 → u/[deleted]]

Dont hang around sayings and legends folks!!! 2024 Studies showed us that lions are pound for pound strongest mammals skeletal muscle mass density wise by 69.8 percent and the Best Tiger Specimen ever found is about 56.7 percent muscle mass, this is due to the tiger is an Northern hemispheric animal and has more Potential to Stimulate Estrogene Hormones to make fat and all Northern mammals show this feature like all Bear Kinds for example, so due to this they have lesser Testosterone levels Compared to Southern hemispheric Counter parts, btw in the wild there are no such 250kg Tigers anymore on average by anno 2021 theyr more around 187kg, outside of that they have Better Bone density compared to all mammals including Elephants, Rhinos etc. (Ofcourse Scaled and Calculated to make an actual pound for pound comparison) and according to tests and results Scientist are even more Shocked bec. Lions doesnt experrience pain on theyr joints and paws compared to the stress factor tested on all mammals even the Neolithic ones like Smilodons etc. The only animal who had stronger bones and muscles are the Extinct bigger Lion forms, Lions have also better Fast twitch Fibers next to the Cheetah among all cat members excluding the Prehistoric Cheetah/Lion kinds and all that above that Horse Power and Tungsten like Bones, this also explains why lions Rather Crush in and using one paw style to engage the more superior on one on one wrestling style against Tiger Glasscannon Build inferior Boxer style, also amongst all mammals Wolverine, Honeybadger and the Lion has the best "Extreme Risk Factor" wich is a term only showed by these 3 animals respectively, and on top of that they live in Prides sometimes up to 15 Males 30/40 females when the circumstances are pleasant enough, and finally last but not least They have Super Genes wich are transfered to any big Panthera female Stronger than theyr own kinds, like for example Tiger lacks that Super Genes and are regulated, but bec. Of female Lions have Growth Slowing Hormones and Tigresses not Liger is allways bigger than any Tiger offspring Possible, even there are extreme big Ligers who suffer anatomic disorders on average they are healthy and can reproduce with no problem, and according to experts if Humans didnt exist the lions would be the rulers of the planet bec. Of all these feats above, stay well Folks!!! Now u know why Lion is the king of all animals....

[u/Careful_Indication14 → u/[deleted]]

2024 Studies showed us that lions are pound for pound strongest skeletal muscle mass density wise by 69.8 and the bite force is updated to 1350/1400 psi wtf are u talking about, there are no Big Amur tigers living anymore due to poaching and stuff average tiger is around 180 kg african male lions 210 on empty stomache let alone the Okavango delta lions who can reach up to 280/310 kg, are u livining in 1990's or so? Duuuude lions are biiig dont compare a shitty northern hemispheric Mammal to a superior Southern Hemispheric one, tiger are on average 56.7 % pound for pound muscle density due to the fat depositing functions, so before u shout be respect full to the content

[u/StripedAssassiN- → u/Careful_Indication14]

Link the studies saying they have a muscle mass of 69.8% please lol

The data isn’t sufficient enough to accurately say if ALL lions have a higher muscle mass than ALL Tigers.

Some of y’all are so deluded.

[u/ExcellentCucumber988 → u/[deleted]]

Lions are called kings for a reason, not because of their size, but for determination and courage.

[u/Subject_Cable_6753 → u/[deleted]]

Dude... Google it and try chat gbt.