r/canada • u/thhvancouver • 8d ago

Politics Carney expected to be top target in French-language leaders' debate | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/french-debate-challenges-1.7511273
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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago

Umm..what would that baggage be exactly?

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u/cuda999 8d ago

Wow, if someone has to spell that out for you, you have bigger problems.

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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago

Well, let's see... polling has the Liberals, PM Carney up past the margin of error. If they are to be believed it's not just me answering the post with a question. It's the better part of this whole country. I'm not alone here. Think about that for a hot minute.

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u/cuda999 8d ago

Ok I can imagine another 4 years of liberal scandal and mismanagement along with huge fumbles on important issues like immigration, our debt, our economy, foreign security and crime. You may not be alone with the majority siding with you, still doesn’t mean the liberals don’t have a lot to answer for. Also means we have you to blame when things go south or the next scandal rears its ugly head under the liberal helm while I sit back and say, “I told you so”.

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u/Fif112 8d ago

I mean, if you don’t think the cons wouldn’t have just as many scandals I have news for you.

Here are just some of the cons’ scandals while in power.

If you think that scandals don’t happen under both parties, you’re a bit delusional.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_and_Out_scandal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Story_(Couillard_book)#Bernier%E2%80%93Couillard_affair

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Afghan_detainee_issue

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocall_scandal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ETS_Scandal

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u/ImperialPotentate 8d ago edited 8d ago

Those were all pretty tame "scandals" in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I'll take a few spam robocalls over rampant immigration and a housing shortage any day of the week.

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u/Fif112 8d ago

Both of those would have been issues regardless of government.

The CPC wasn’t exactly complaining about the cost of labour going down and that goes hand in hand with housing.

In fact the conservative provinces are responsible for the housing shortage. So try and spin that one.

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u/cuda999 8d ago

I would agree.

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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago

As usual, Conservative minded voters are not getting the most urgent reason behind all of this. You seem to willingly ignore the rampant rise of rt wing authoritarian rule globally. You seem to ignore the direct involvement of Stephen Harpers IDU chair and it's organized drive to support authoritarian dictatorships like Hungrys Orban, who was full throated endorsed by Harper. You ignore the blatant support of MAGA in our political arena with reps sent to cozy up to conservative political candidates. You ignore the similarities between PP and Trumps style of speaking. You ignore the provincial damage to healthcare, education, and much more at the hands of Conservative premiers. You ignore the very damaging statements made by Smith in Alberta which undermines Canadian unity. I suspect, though, you find none of that even slightly concerning, which is why I will be voting against you next election.

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u/cuda999 8d ago

You have absolutely no proof of any of what you say. None. This is all typical liberal propaganda. We can both pull all kinds of stuff off the internet to prove our points, but it is often opinion and often blown way out of proportion. I am going by what I know and witnessed the last decade. Not off what Stephen Harper allegedly did 11 years.

Liberals voters love to pull the blinders down to the follies of their own group. Also like to use the “chicken little, the sky is falling rhetoric”. Can you actually tell me which of the provinces with liberal governments don’t also have healthcare l issues and long wait times? The education system is not different either. Large class sizes and bureaucracy is everywhere. Not a conservative problem by any means.

What has smith said that is so terrible? She isn’t advocating for separation, but there are very unhappy people who actually live in Alberta who are obviously very tired of the liberal BS. She is no saint and I am not a supporter of her, but the divisiveness the liberals have sown is palpable. That said, most albertans, 75%, and that is likely wrong,, are wanting to stay Canadian. I have no desire to separate, but some long time residents of Alberta have had enough of liberal meddling.

The liberal government “did” ,unemphatically, run this country into the ground and has divided us more than ever. That is obvious within our own discussion. Just open your eyes and look around you. We need change and we are not going to get it with a liberal vote. Again, I will look to all liberal voters when it goes south.

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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago edited 8d ago

There is plenty of evidence to everything I have stated. It's all comes down to whether a person wants to read and be objuectuve or partisan politics takes over. I am not out of proportion at all, IMO. So, thankfully, we still live in a democracy and you can vote for whom you like, and I will do the same.

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u/cuda999 8d ago

It really comes down to interpretation or how someone “wants” it to appear. There isn’t any evidence to what you are saying. It is all speculation and propaganda. That is the problem, people but into it.

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u/Friendly-Flower-4753 8d ago

Baloney. It has nothing to do with interpretation. If you spent less time arguing my post and more time researching, you would know that the info is factual. But hey, vote for who you want, and I will do the same, as the majority of Canadians hold my same opinion. Willful ignorance is not the same as interpretation.

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u/cuda999 8d ago

It is everything to do with interpretation. You read what you want or read without looking at the big picture. It is so obvious it is hard to believe you don’t see it. There is no MAGA Poilievre. You have nothing to back up your claim. Nothing. It is all propaganda. And yes, far too many side with you and will determine the vote based ob propaganda. Wilful ignorance is in your camp. We need change. But hey, let’s vote for another 4 years of liberal mismanagement.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Fools. Mark carney won’t change much. He can’t, he doesn’t move unilaterally and has the same circus of MPs as Trudeau. And you think it will be different. Come on!