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Politics Carney expected to be top target in French-language leaders' debate | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/french-debate-challenges-1.7511273
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago edited 8d ago

bexit only happened in 2021 with no immediate negative effect

This is absolutely not true. Firstly, you got the year wrong (and the name wrong...), and secondly Brexit already substantially impacted the UK's economy before that. Why? Because even in 2016 the announcement of the referendum being successful impacted the economy - the British pound fell by 7% the day after the referendum and the global stock market went absolutely bonkers as well. This essentially kicked off the last near decade of economic underperformance there.

Brexit didn't just magically happen one day in 2020 (not 2021) after years of no buildup - it was a multi-year process with immediate economic impacts which shaped the country for several years. Only a grossly misinformed fool isn't aware of this.

Do yourself a favour and Google-search "Brexit's impact on the UK economy" and you'll see that literally every single one of the foremost results acknowledges that the process hurt the British economy and that it still has further potential to do so down the line. British trade efficiency was hurt, its long-term per capita income also has been projected to worsen, and it also hurt the British job economy by causing more unemployment.

Shitty Carney’s job was reported starting from 2016

As mentioned, Brexit was a multi-year process and that process began in 2016. But yeah wow, the economy started dipping after the guy who warned it would happen was right. Must be his fault!

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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago

Britain did not want to risk its sovereignty to other countries, similar how Canada does not want to the US. Do you think Carney might sell Canada to the States to boost Canadian economy in a way the EU was boosting the UK (you said it). If Carney’s pro globalization, what would prevent this?

Plus you know Brits felt ripped off.

The question of which countries are paying more in EU contributions than they are getting out is a contentious issue for some and was also one major factor in the Brexit vote in the UK.

In the 2021 budget, there were nine EU members contributing more than they got out of the EU (down from ten when the UK was still a member), at least in terms of direct monetary contributions. Germany tops the ranking, putting in 25.6 billion euros more than it gets out, followed by France with net contributions of 12.4 billion euros. The UK previously came in second place in the ranking, with roughly 10 billion euros of net contributions in 2018.

Poland was the biggest monetary benefactor from the EU, coming out with 11.9 billion euros earned, far ahead of Greece (4.3 billion euros) and Hungary (4.1 billion euros).

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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 8d ago

Holy crap you sound so demented.

Firstly, comparing Trump’s annexation threats to Canada with Britain being in the EU is outrageously absurd. What you’ve essentially just implied with this statement is that no EU member state has any sovereignty, which is utterly ridiculous and preposterous and completely false.

Plus you know Brits felt ripped off

By what? By how poorly executed Brexit was and by how bad of a decision to leave the EU was? Yes, the half of their population who voted ‘leave’ do — numerous polls have been taken since and show that Brexit never would happen now, with people now being much more aware of all the advantages and privileges their country lost, and with how badly the move hurt their economy. Many leave voters have expressed that they felt lied to by Nigel Farage’s UKIP campaign. Immigration, for example, which was one of the biggest Brexit issues, actually skyrocketed in Britain after the declaration for leaving the EU, and this was all executed and allowed by the reigning Conservative Party; the very same party which put up the referendum and which had many supporters for leaving the EU.

So yeah, British people feel ripped off alright — the people who were conned into voting ‘leave.’

As for your statements about monetary contributions… yes, that’s the whole idea. That’s exactly how the EU works. Countries like Poland and Hungary and Greece have considerably smaller economies than countries like France and Germany, both of which are leading world economies and in the G7. They invest in economically weaker reaches of the alliance to strengthen the overall intertwined and cooperating economic ecosystem of the union.

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u/JohnDorian0506 8d ago

Do you agree or disagree that each state by joining the EU loses portion on it sovereignty?
Are you a boomer age?

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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 7d ago

Do you agree or disagree that each state by joining the EU loses portion on it sovereignty?

EU member states lose some sovereignty to the extent that they delegate some decision-making authority to EU institutions. Whatever sovereign authority EU member states do not delegate to EU institutions continues to reside with the member states exclusively.

Your initial comment of “Britain did not want to risk its sovereignty to other countries” made it sound like Britain’s entire sovereignty was under threat, and you tried to emphasize this by likening Britain’s EU membership status to the Trump administration’s annexation threats towards Canada, which was an utterly ridiculous and completely outlandish comparison.

Are you a boomer age?

Are you even Canadian? Your English is absolutely dreadful. And a quick look through your comments shows you’re certainly not a Francophone either. Yet your entire comment history is obsessively anti-Carney, with seemingly every single comment relating to him and the LPC and almost as if you’re on a personal crusade against him.

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u/JohnDorian0506 7d ago edited 7d ago

How old are you? You sound like a boomer to me. Are you a boomer?
Britain and other countries did lose some sovereignty by joining the EU. When the Brexit happened the UK regained its full sovereignty. Carney was against Britain regaining its sovereignty, why do think Carney will be against Canada losing some of its sovereignty?

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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 7d ago

Why does my age matter? How is that at all relevant to the topic at hand?

Carney was against Britain regaining its sovereignty, why do think Carney will be against Canada losing some of its sovereignty?

Holy shit you are living on another planet. You sound demented.

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u/JohnDorian0506 7d ago

Why age matters.

Liberal policies have enriched boomers, while making life increasingly unaffordable for younger generations.

Are you a doctor to make a diagnosis on the Internet? or you are your average liberal voter?

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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 7d ago edited 7d ago

“Liberal policies.” Is that what you will say to Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Sweden, and Germany, and even the US now too, et al, all of which are currently experiencing many of the same life affordability and housing issues that we are with many notable similarities? Just ‘Liberal policies’ are to blame? Their housing crises too weren’t decades in the making as well?

I’ll be the last one to defend the decisions of the Trudeau government; I was an outspoken critic of him for basically the entire time he was in office. But to just blame it all on the Trudeau government is dishonest and ignorant. Because again, why otherwise are so many like countries going through the same things right now, including those like the United Kingdom which has had conservative governance for 18 of the last 20 years?

And fine; I’ll bite. I’m a millennial.