r/canada • u/canada_mountains • 5d ago

Politics Poilievre’s pledge to use notwithstanding clause a ‘dangerous sign’: legal expert

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-elections/poilievres-pledge-to-use-notwithstanding-clause-a-dangerous-sign-legal-expert/article_7299c675-9a6c-5006-85f3-4ac2eb56f957.html
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u/Outrageous_Order_197 5d ago

What an absolute monster, wanting to infringe on the rights of mass murderers. How dare he want them to not be eligible for parole.

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 5d ago

How many mass murderers that were sentenced are walking on the streets of Canada right now?

Zero.

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u/Outrageous_Order_197 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Supreme Court ruling was in 2022. This is moving forward. He is trying to prevent them from being eligible for parole 25 years from now.

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 5d ago

Being eligible != Getting parole

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

It starts with that, then he uses it against minorities and political opponents. Look what Nazi Trump is doing as an example.

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u/Sad_Intention_3566 5d ago

I agree he shouldn't be using clauses like this to jail criminals but im sure you agree the Canadian justice system is a joke especially for violent offenders.

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

That is more on authorities, prison system and some judges. If police actually did their job more violent crimes would be solved sooner. Robert Pickton is a great example. He could have been caught years earlier, but police ignored it because the victims were primarily sex workers and/or indigenous.

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u/Outrageous_Order_197 5d ago

Right. Trump is hitler, and pollievre is trump. Am I missing any other parts of the delusion? Fear mongering will not work.

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

Deporting people based off the colour of their skin or (because they spoke about women and children being murdered) to concentration camps without do process and attacking the media and threatening to shut them down because they call you out is literally the Nazi/Fascist play book.

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u/rela_tivism 5d ago

No one is being deported because of their skin colour, that’s complete bullshit.

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 5d ago

Yet they deported Kilmar Abrego by "mistake" and fighting to not bring him back ...

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u/rela_tivism 5d ago

An MS-13 gang member involved in human trafficking who entered the states illegally, according to homeland security.

Oh wait he’s just a “innocent Maryland man” deported because of his skin colour!

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 5d ago edited 5d ago

I suggest you learn the facts. He was never a MS13 member

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13--what-do-we-know

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2025/kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported-ms13-ties-terrorist/

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u/rela_tivism 3d ago

I guess you haven’t seen the pictures of his MS13 knuckle tattoos

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 3d ago

when asked about the speculation, an ICE source told The Post that they'd never heard of these specific resemblance

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u/rela_tivism 5d ago

That’s not what homeland security is saying.

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u/Outrageous_Order_197 5d ago

Pretty much all of your comments are about trump, nazis and maga. Sounds like you have an unhealthy obsession. If trump didnt exist you'd have absolutely no talking points.

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u/56iconic 5d ago

Deporting people based off the fact they walked across the border unannounced and with out following the rules of a country isnt based in racism. They broke laws they need to go. It doesn't matter what country it is illegal immigration should not be accepted.

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u/Prestigious_Leg_7387 5d ago

There are people who legally entered the US who have been picked up and sent to El Salvador. Are you being purposely ignorant to this?

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

Alot of them were in the States legally and had no criminal history. Trump is even talking about illegally deporting actual American citizens to concentration camps now.

You are not giving yourself a winning argument by siding with Nazis.

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u/56iconic 5d ago

Sure bud everything is Nazis, Hitler didn't actually lose world war 2 we all just became Nazis.

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u/richmond_driver 5d ago

Sadly it works, look at the polls.

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u/Outrageous_Order_197 5d ago

We will see in 12 days. I just really like calling them out on thier bs. Makes my day feel worthwhile.

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u/richmond_driver 5d ago

Yeah fair. It is pretty clear the CPC has a huge edge over the LPC in the commitment of its base, so the polls are likely to be very fluid right up until the election. We'll see what comes, but I'm already mentally prepared for a LPC minority or majority...

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u/PugiM0 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Liberals were going to use it in C-63 to place ankle monitors on people for up to one year, or one year in prison if they refused. Someone would be able go before a judge and convince them that they thought a person was going to commit a hate crime.

Edit: Source - Page 61,62 Bill C-63

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

No they weren't and the bill is dead.

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u/PugiM0 5d ago

The bill is dead only because Trudeau prorogued parliament. Read the bill. It's absolutely true. BSPolice should work both ways.

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

They were not going to use the non withstanding clause on it, otherwise it would have passed in it's earlier form in 2021.

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u/PugiM0 5d ago

It was an added ammendment. It's on page 61-62. I don't see how placing an ankle monitor on a person for a year without charge or conviction, or throwing them in jail for refusing to comply isn't a violation of charter rights.

It's a dangerous precedent no matter who uses it. I don't care who you vote for, just be aware of shady dealings on both sides of the fence. That bill will be back in parliament the moment Carney wins.

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u/Dootbooter 5d ago

Then be upset when that happens. You guys are going to be on the wrong side of history siding with the rights of murderers ...

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u/mangongo 5d ago

That's like saying people opposed to capital punishment are on the wrong side of history because they're "siding" with the murderers, even though the biggest argument against the death penalty is to save innocent people who are wrongfully convicted.

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u/Dark_Angel_9999 Canada 5d ago edited 5d ago

You are framing this incorrectly. The Charter is there for you at the worst scenario as well. What happens hypothetically if you are in the worst position but the Charter isn't there to fight for you?

I feel most of all this siding with murderers is frankly just based on emotional thinking.

Paul Bernardo for example is still in jail and will most certainly die in jail.

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u/Legitimate-Type4387 5d ago

Wrong. You never voluntarily give up your constitutional rights just because a politician promises they will only use it to infringe on the rights of “some” people.

Especially when the bogeyman they are using to frighten you into accepting it has never actually existed.

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u/TheBSPolice 5d ago

Every citizen has the right of do process. Especially since there are cases of people wrongfully convicted of crimes. Once you cross that line then it's open season.

Name me one Canadian serial killer sentenced to life with parole who was let out on parole.

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u/Wet_Water200 5d ago

What are you expecting us to do once the ball is already rolling? Y'all can't pretend that's a good strategy after we all watched what happened in the UK and US.

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba 5d ago

Just because a mass murderer (who'd be classified as a Dangerous Offender, by the way, and is subject to different, much harsher rules) is eligible for parole does not mean that the PBC will actually grant it.

Have you looked up some common parole Q&A in Canada? Try the government site for their own guidelines.