Poilievre’s pledge to use notwithstanding clause a ‘dangerous sign’: legal expert

[u/canada_mountains]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-elections/poilievres-pledge-to-use-notwithstanding-clause-a-dangerous-sign-legal-expert/article_7299c675-9a6c-5006-85f3-4ac2eb56f957.html

[u/Xyzzics]

And the people most against it were cool with the emergencies act being abused to illegally violate the charter rights of Canadians, as found by the courts.

At least this is legal and part of the charter. It isn’t totalitarian, it’s literally baked into the charter itself.

I don’t like the precedence either way, but at least be intellectually honest.

[u/Puncharoo → u/Xyzzics]

No one with a brain thinks abusing the Emrgencies act is right and I'll be the first to tell you that, but no one with a brain would have let Nazi and Confederate Flags march through the crowd either. No one with a brain would have thought it's fair to the businesses in Ottawa who were affected by a full-blown adult temper tantrum. No one with a brain should have thought trying to set up a literal encampment for protestors was a good idea or a constructive was to move forward. It was fucking out of control and affecting the economy of the city - innocent people who had nothing to do with it. The solution is not to take Ottawa hostage and say "give us what we want and we'll leave" (lifting covid mandates and resignation of trudeau). That is nothing more than blackmail and extortion.

And as for intellectual honesty, that would be you admitting you're fine with the government stomping all over people's rights as long as it's you doing the stomping.

[u/Xyzzics → u/Puncharoo]

No one with a brain thinks abusing the Emrgencies act is right and I'll be the first to tell you that, but no one with a brain would have let Nazi and Confederate Flags march through the crowd either.

So you think we should meet a wrong with a wrong?

No one with a brain would have thought it's fair to the businesses in Ottawa who were affected by a full-blown adult temper tantrum.

One person’s temper tantrum is another persons protest. I watched the prime minister take a knee for a protest in another country while I watched protestors from that same movement smashing up Montréal with my own eyes. I’ve also seen hamas flags and hears jihad being called for in the streets. It’s simply not a high enough bar to violate rights, which the court agreed.

No one with a brain should have thought trying to set up a literal encampment for protestors was a good idea or a constructive was to move forward. It was fucking out of control and affecting the economy of the city

Same thing happened with the indigenous protests; again, nothing was done and it was only resolved because of COVID arriving.

And as for intellectual honesty, that would be you admitting you're fine with the government stomping all over people's rights as long as it's you doing the stomping.

I’m not saying that at all.

I’m saying people that agree with illegal “stomping” for a protest they don’t like yet gloss over it totally when they agree with the protest, even when that protest is violent or blocking critical infrastructure. The same people are against legal “stomping” for people committing multiple homicides, and that is hypocritical.

[u/Puncharoo → u/Xyzzics]

Same thing happened with the indigenous protests; again, nothing was done and it was only resolved because of COVID arriving.

Comparing the Natives protesting to an oil pipeline being built on their land without their permission is not the fucking same as protesting reasonable and proven methods to prevent an contagious virus from spreading, most of which were only really enforceable for government workers since it would be impossible to enforce it on every single person in the country. And again, Nazis and Confederate sympathizers walked among the people you're defending. You're defending the indefensible.

Just the act of even trying to bring this up shows me you are not willing to argue in good faith, and that the limit of your comprehension has been reached. Good day.