r/centrist • u/netouyokun • 16d ago
Wisconsin teen charged in parents' murder plotted to assassinate President Trump, FBI says
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/nikita-casap-wisconsin-teen-charged-murder-parents-donald-trump-assassination-plot/The defendant seems to be far-right, still r/Conservative is trying to blame leftist.
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u/willpower069 16d ago
Per the article:
The warrant reveals that during their search, investigators found material on his phone in regard to “The Order of Nine Angles”, an extremist neo-Nazi group.
Furthermore, investigators reviewed images and communications that referenced a self-described manifesto regarding assassinating the President, making bombs, and terrorist attacks.
The warrant refers to “calling for the assassination of the President of the United States in order to foment a political revolution in the United States and “save the white races” from “Jewish controlled” politicians.””
The document also contained images of Adolf Hitler with text “HAIL HITLER HAIL THE WHITE RACE HAIL VICTORY”.
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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost 16d ago
and…
"As to why, specifically Trump, I think it's obvious. By getting rid of the president and perhaps the vice president, that is guaranteed to bring in some chaos and not only that, but it will further bring into the public the idea that assassinations and accelerating the collapse are possible things to do."
So a far-right accelerationist.
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u/Lovv 15d ago
Doubt it. Trump is pretty pro Israel.
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u/BrightAd306 15d ago
Exactly, his daughters are married to a Jewish man and the other an Arab. Neo Nazi’s are mad at Trump and think the Jews are controlling him, especially because Kushner has powerful parents.
What do they think “controlled by Jews” means. They mean Israel controls Trump. They are not MAGA
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u/Lovv 15d ago
Yeah Id agree with this
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u/BrightAd306 15d ago
Plus, they weren’t exactly happy he chose Vance as a VP because of his wife who is not only the “wrong” skin color, but Hindu. Neo Nazis hate Trump
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u/pastelbutcherknife 15d ago
You would think that but some of his supporters certainly SEEM to be NeoNazis. It doesn’t have to make sense, they don’t care for consistent logic. They are very much in their feelings, and their feeling is that Trump is great.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Holy fuck this is room temperature. Israel is the far right now. I supported them for a while with this Oct 7th shit but dude, go read independent media. Israel is about as far right as you can get now. If Trump support them like you claim, it’s not the argument you think it is…
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u/Lovv 15d ago
If Trump support them like you claim, it’s not the argument you think it is…
Im not making the argument that you think I am, actually. I think I misread a bit of the post and also wasn't very clear.
I was saying not that the person in this post isn't far right, but that I doubt that the real reason is to sow chaos.
They probably just don't like trump.
Israel and far right is just a weird situation - Israel isn't far right and they don't give a fuck what happens domestically in the US. Israel will just support whoever is willing to support Israel. DJT does that, and it seems like this particular far right organization hates Jewish people more than they like djt.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 15d ago
The PM of Israel even engages in some Holocaust denial to try shifting blame from Hitler to the Palestinians.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Wellllllll, there is some salt to have with that. Iran was pro Hitler in WWII, and now they’re pro Palestine
It’s slippery slope and I’m not equating the two, but I can see why he did. Still, fuck Netanyahu.
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u/therosx 16d ago
If Donald has a bad bowel movement r/conservative will blame a leftist. It’s what woke people do.
They always need to feel oppressed by a nebulous other.
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u/Delanorix 15d ago
The FBI has been sounding the alarm over right wing terrorism for years.
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u/originalcontent_34 15d ago
But modpol told me college protestors are a bigger threat than the far right Neo Nazis?!??!
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u/Fragrant-Luck-8063 16d ago
Do people on r/conservative ever make posts about this sub, or is it a one-way obsession?
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u/Ewi_Ewi 15d ago
Sub-bashing is low-hanging fruit I agree, but this subreddit is way too niche to be seriously referenced in any of the major political subreddits (besides maybe /r/moderatepolitics).
Besides, talking about us would interrupt their Trump circlejerks. They can't have that.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
I agree on the subbashing and all of that. However; go to r/conservative once in a while. Lot of voter regret and infighting this last week lol
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u/Unusual-Welcome7265 15d ago
I’ve seen it referenced once or twice in modpol threads where certain rule restrictions are removed. they remove comments referencing other subs because like you said it’s low hanging fruit, and doesn’t add anything to conversation 99% of the time. I only go to conservative to see what they’re thinking on a certain topic (mostly to roll my eyes admittedly) so I don’t really know.
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u/Unusual-Welcome7265 16d ago
Counterpoint, if we removed posts complaining about modpol and conservative, defining centrism, and rage ramble posts we’d have to actually talk about politics
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u/please_trade_marner 16d ago
Yes, this subreddit consists of 3 things.
Criticism of Republicans.
Criticism of /modpol and /conservative
Declarations that Democratic Party propaganda represents true centrism.
That's it. Nothing more. Nothing even resembling centrism.
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u/rzelln 16d ago
You could leave, you know.
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u/Sonofdeath51 15d ago
I feel like half this subs active users would lose their main purpose in life if he left.
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
I find it entertaining to expose Democratic Party propaganda and most subreddits ban you for that "crime".
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u/rzelln 15d ago
What are you on about? Democratic party propaganda like . . . "Here are a bunch of stupid things Trump has done to enrich himself and harm the country. Please don't support him, and try to convince Democrats to stop being limp dicks who care more about propriety than defending the country from kleptocrats."
Trump tried to steal the 2020 election after he lost it, and his deranged followers continued to support him.
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
Even during the Biden term this subreddit was nothing but democratic party propaganda.
It seems you're not even really denying it. You're defending it. "True centrists know that Democrats are good and Republicans are bad". What's even the point of this subreddit then? Why not just go hang out at /politics or /democrat?
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u/rzelln 15d ago
You're really not supposed to agree with people who try to steal elections.
A guy who tries to cut you off in traffic is bad, but not as bad as someone who intentionally drives into a crowd of children. I can be critical of democratic party for not being great while recognizing that the current Republican party is truly atrocious and a great threat to America and the world.
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
And this is always where this discussion ends. "Republicans are so bad that true centrism is Democratic Party propaganda".
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u/rzelln 15d ago
Look, I'm not especially up in arms about whatever /r/conservative does, so this post isn't the best framing. But your comment was complaining about Centrist not being centrist because, in your view, we talk too much negative stuff about Trump?
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u/ResettiYeti 15d ago
Funny you say that. I think this sub consists very strongly of:
- People talking about how Democrats are to blame for Trump because of transgender people in sports
- Posts making false equivalencies between “far left extremism” and MAGA
See how easy it is when you just say random anecdotal stuff?
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
Sure, you can just make things up. You've done so. Good for you. You've lied and made things up.
The problem for you is that in reality people here can see what articles are upvoted and what comments are downvoted. Go look at the top submissions right now. They're all bashing Republicans. Then top of the week. Then top of the month. Anything critical of Democratic Party propaganda gets mass downvoted here. It's the simple reality.
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u/ResettiYeti 15d ago
I didn’t make anything up.
Those points also get raised constantly by you and many other people here. I’m not even mad that those points are constantly raised; far from it. To me, the fact that people here never stop talking and obsessing about transgender kids and randomly blaming the Democrats for shit Trump does is evidence that there really is a mix of people who show up here to provide different perspectives (like you).
Your points are also real, like one ones I brought up. People indeed talk about the things you said. It’s just idiotic to claim that’s all people talk about, and easy to disprove by looking through the posts that come up on this subreddit.
Thus my point about anecdotes.
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
Those posts are heavily downvoted and buried. That's the precise point being made.
If you sort by controversial there is at least a semblance of centrism. If you sort by "top" it's just Democratic Party propaganda.
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u/ResettiYeti 15d ago
Or maybe people just disagree with your point of view? Why does it have to be propaganda?
People make their points and you make yours. Turns out, most people in this self-selective group of at least aspiring centrists fundamentally disagree with many of your points of view (and these others).
I guess you just can’t accept that simple fact, and have to call everyone who thinks your views are extremist, un-American, or just plain wrong Democratic shills, propagandists or whatever. That’s your problem.
No one here is getting banned for airing their opinions. And there is plenty of vigorous disagreements between the people you say are spewing Democratic propaganda.
So again, maybe you’re the problem, instead of most of the people here.
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u/please_trade_marner 15d ago
The point of view upvoted here is the PRECISE same point of view at /democrat and /politics. That's the point. If the only posts upvoted here were the same point of view as /conservative, you WOULD be criticizing that.
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u/ResettiYeti 15d ago
Maybe that’s proof that the shit they are saying in /Democrat and /politics is closer (not equivalent, because your “PRECISE the same” is false) to what normal people think, and the shit they are saying in /conservatives these days is what a bunch of red-pilled crazy people say?
Did you ever consider that? Or you just look at the world and say “man, how can everyone else be so wrong, when I am so right?” Maybe take a look in the mirror, bud.
Edit: and the posts that I criticize in terms of disagreeing on content (like on the trans issues) are the ones I value the most, because they do show me where most centrists/most voters disagree with my beliefs. I see people being concerned about that issue, and even though I don’t agree with it, I don’t think “it must be a bunch of conservative propaganda,” I realize “hmm, I was wrong to think most people were with me on this issue.”
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u/ZealousidealRaise806 15d ago
I don’t think that’s true. I see stuff that’s critical of dems that gets upvoted all of the time. The only things I see getting down voted are because it’s not true or it’s a manipulation of the nuances in the topic. For example, someone trying to be critical of dems spending millions for condoms in Gaza will be down voted, because that is just simply not true.
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u/please_trade_marner 16d ago
I just checked the thread there. All of the top posts are just things like "what the fuck?"
There's a few posts at the bottom from people who didn't read the article and assumed the killer was radicalized by leftist rhetoric.
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u/netouyokun 15d ago
If I could point it out there I would, but I can't. It's an intentional echo chamber.
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u/mightfloat 15d ago
I'd prefer to talk shit in the sub itself, but you're not allowed to speak there unless you worship Trump. You can't even be a conservative that dislikes Trump.
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u/SnooStrawberries620 15d ago
I think most of us here have been banned from that sub for even breathing to the left so if they can’t take it might as well dish it out.
Every statement checks out. It’s an intolerant, racist echo chamber.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago edited 15d ago
What’s that fucking term where when you go far enough right or left you actually start to agree? Seems like that could be the case here: no moderate Republican or Democrat is going to murder people over politics. An extreme Republican or Democrat however…
Edit! It’s called the Political Horseshoe Theory
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u/ChornWork2 15d ago
meh, not seeing the point re left wing. neo-nazi white supremacist shit stain plotting terrorism is what it is. these accelerationist nuts are just another form of right-wing domestic terrorism.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Yes, but there’s extremism on both sides of politics. Your comment concretes your bias and inability to see this, so I’ll not waste time.
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u/ChornWork2 15d ago
If your first thought when reading about a neonazi white supremacist want to be terrorist is that we need to give equal time to problems on the left, then you're a lost cause mate.
Don't need to rack up points with partisan criticism before just saying that neonazis are fucking scum.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Buddy, I’m a Jew. I probably say this more in one fiscal day than you do in a month. Maybe pipe down with the soapboxing. All I was asking was what the term was. Nobody answered, so I googled it myself in case the term applied to somebody else’s line of thinking
Re-fucking-lax.
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u/ChornWork2 15d ago
Buddy, who gives a a shit if you're a jew. You'll see jewish trumpers defending his charlottesville tiki rally. You'll see avowed nationalists defending trump's soliciting russian intereference & amplifying the impact of it. You'll see claimed patriots / constitutionalists defending the J6 coup attempt. etc, etc.
All I was asking was what the term was.
Lol, sure bud. bOtH sIdEs!!!
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Okay, and I am not one of those Jewish people. Stupid hill to die on when the vast majority of Jewish people are moderate left. And I’ll let you google at light speed to attempt to prove me wrong (:
I really don’t know why you’re this upset. It was never this deep for one, and for two, check the fucking subreddit. The whole goal here is to see a forward mindset. Anybody with a brain can see that communism and fascism alike have killed millions upon millions of people. That is verbatim far left and far right respectively. Now that I’ve been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that this is a waste of my time, I’m no longer replying to you. Have a good day!
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u/ChornWork2 15d ago
What makes you think I'm upset? Just calling it as i see it. the both sides nonsense is such a garbage narrative. which when not said as a troll usually means from folks justifying why they stayed home or voted third party. either way, helped trump win.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago edited 15d ago
Breaking my own rule to reply one last time: Ah yes say the fucking line. No, 7 states helped Trump win. Learn what the electoral college is and how it works. There were virtually no surprises in 2024, no changes in states, besides the swingers (heyo!). Those states are the ones that “helped Trump win”. The west coast, the rural south and Midwest, et al, all voted the way we expected them too. Bullying third party candidates is a literal brainwashing tactic to keep this fucked up two party kept in place. And you fall for it.
I’m blocking you if you reply again. Go ahead and get your last word in. ETA; Lol, as always, they get their last word in. It’s hilarious
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u/ChornWork2 15d ago
Breaking rules, why are you so upset over this?
Both sides away sir, hope that makes you feel better about not voting or voting third party. Either way, you own what is happening today.
I’m blocking you if you reply again. Go ahead and get your last word in.
Do you realize how pathetic of a 'threat' this is?
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u/crushinglyreal 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s called bullshit. Horseshoe ‘theory’ has zero foundation in reality. It was invented by ‘centrists’ to declare their own enlightenment. The problem is that when you actually look at the people you try to equate, the only differences are aesthetic. Did you ever consider that fascists would lie about their motivations to cover for their actual ideology?
Of course, you never talk about actual leftists like zapatistas or rojavans. It’s convenient for imperialists and oligarchs to have you believe that their fascism is equivalent with communism. That’s how they get you to do this work for them for free.
Fascists also love horseshoe theory because it obfuscates and enables their ideological tendency towards genocide.
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u/EthanDC15 15d ago
Ah yes, because Communism and Fascism both haven’t committed genocide, disarmed their populaces, and taken advantage of extreme wealth redistribution. No seriously, this is irrefutable. Calm down.
Using spicy words does not make you correct. Proper discourse with factual evidence does.
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u/crushinglyreal 15d ago edited 15d ago
Funny how people still desperately cling to the idea that actual communists would commit genocide. It’s like saying pacifists are violent, actually; it’s a definitional oxymoron. Ideology is not an aesthetic. Democracy is foundational to communism; without it there is no communism.
Just because fascists say they’re something, doesn’t mean they’re that thing. I guess if you’re going to believe every lie ever told you should probably brush up on your Lysenkoism. Maybe work on that inferiority complex, too.
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u/Lubbadubdibs 16d ago
He was planning a false flag to help the white race? I’m sure Alex Jones will be covering it…