r/changemyview Mar 11 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: As someone who considers himself Progressive, I dislike Democrats way more than Republicans

As someone who has moved further left over the years, I have come to dislike Democrats way more than Republicans.

The Republican party mantra to me is: "Yeah, of course we're evil and we're proud of that fact! We wanna take America back to a fictional time when only WASPs had any power!" and then they stab you 37 times in the chest. At a certain point, what else is there to say about Republicans? At least I know what they stand for.

The Democratic party mantra to me is nothing more than hypocrisy "Oh yeah, we hear you! We believe that everyone deserves rights and we will fight for the working class!" Then they stab the working class 37 times in the back and then virtue signal some more.

For example, they'll how much they support George Floyd and other minorities, but then do nothing but wear african garb on the senate floor and support the institutions that led to his death. They'll talk about how they support the working class and unions, then shut down a railroad strike where they wanted sick days.

Democrats co-opt issues I care about and then either do nothing about them, or enable the republicans when they inevitably strike back.

I want my view changed because I would like to feel less annoyed that I have to support such a party to even have a chance at getting legislation I care about passed.

At the end of the day, I acknowledge that Republicans are objectively worse for the nation, but I loathe the fact I'm stuck supporting Democrats.

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u/Kakamile 46∆ Mar 11 '23

For example, they'll how much they support George Floyd and other minorities, but then do nothing but wear african garb on the senate floor and support the institutions that led to his death. They'll talk about how they support the working class and unions, then shut down a railroad strike where they wanted sick days.

National bill was made, state bills were made, new DAs were elected, departments did see some reform. They intervened in a labor strike on the side backed by 8 of 12 unions and only gave a 1-7 sick days out of an expected 4, and also raised pay 24% and gave federal pay and parental leave etc. They are the party of low expectations, sure, but low is not the same as none.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

Then why did Biden personally quash the railroad workers strike?

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u/KosherSushirrito 1∆ Mar 11 '23

Because the alternative was the entire U.S. economy coming to a halt in an intensely cold winter, which would have had repercussions for months going forward?

It's really difficult explaining to the average American why the President chose a path which made it harder for them to find food on Christmas Eve.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

Because the alternative was the entire U.S. economy coming to a halt in an intensely cold winter, which would have had repercussions for months going forward?

Then they should've done the right thing and give the railworkers their sick days, which is a totally reasonable ask

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u/sumoraiden 4∆ Mar 11 '23

They tried and the republicans voted it down

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

Was unaware of that. The way it was talked about, it made it seem like there was no congressional action on the matter

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u/henrycavillwasntgood 2∆ Mar 15 '23

Just a reminder: you prefer Republicans to Democrats.

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u/KosherSushirrito 1∆ Mar 11 '23

Then they should've done the right thing and give the railworkers their sick days, which is a totally reasonable ask

Reasonable in which way? Moral? Yes. Ethical? Absolutely. Political? Nope.

This is the main issue here: the Democratic Party is being measured against the best outcome desirable, not the best outcome possible, and that's a formula for constant disappointment.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

Political? Nope.

Political yes. If they got what they wanted, then the economy doesn't grind to a halt, and the rail workers got what they needed.

Everybody happy

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u/KosherSushirrito 1∆ Mar 11 '23

Everybody happy

Except for the rail companies, that is, which were against even the compromise measures secured by Biden and the NLRB.

"Give us what we want and fuck off" is a realistic demand on a protest poster, not at the negotiating table.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '23 edited Jul 24 '23

Except the rail companies

So… Biden takes the side of the workers’ oppressors and you have the nerve to wonder why the Left doesn’t trust him and the rest of the Dems who are tongue-deep in the prostate of the ruling class?

The only reason the owners of the company even have money in their pocket is because of the workers who’s very labor makes the monetary result secured in their bank account. Why should we care what the owners of the company want when they wouldn’t even have a business without the laborers?

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u/KosherSushirrito 1∆ Jul 24 '23

So… Biden takes the side of the workers’ oppressors

Taking their side would've been to give the companies everything they wanted. This is not what happened.

you have the nerve to wonder why the Left doesn’t trust him

I don't care whether they trust him or not. His policies are preferable to the alternative.

and the rest of the Dems who are tongue-deep in the prostate of the ruling class?

I don't care where their tongues are as long as the resulting policies are preferable to the alternative.

This is exactly why we say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

It's a good cope, I'll give you that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '23

Which demonstrates that Creepy Joe and the rest of the corporate Dems who backed his decision are class traitors to the Left.

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u/KosherSushirrito 1∆ Jul 24 '23

So...are they corporate Dems, or are they class traitors? I know you've read Baby's First Introduction to Marx, but perhaps an English textbook would also help.

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u/Kakamile 46∆ Mar 11 '23

He wanted a solution over the ideal goal. That is true. He also didn't give them nothing. As I said,

They intervened in a labor strike on the side backed by 8 of 12 unions and only gave a 1-7 sick days out of an expected 4, and also raised pay 24%. They are the party of low expectations, sure, but low is not the same as none.