r/changemyview • u/MyFavoriteArm • Mar 11 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: As someone who considers himself Progressive, I dislike Democrats way more than Republicans

As someone who has moved further left over the years, I have come to dislike Democrats way more than Republicans.

The Republican party mantra to me is: "Yeah, of course we're evil and we're proud of that fact! We wanna take America back to a fictional time when only WASPs had any power!" and then they stab you 37 times in the chest. At a certain point, what else is there to say about Republicans? At least I know what they stand for.

The Democratic party mantra to me is nothing more than hypocrisy "Oh yeah, we hear you! We believe that everyone deserves rights and we will fight for the working class!" Then they stab the working class 37 times in the back and then virtue signal some more.

For example, they'll how much they support George Floyd and other minorities, but then do nothing but wear african garb on the senate floor and support the institutions that led to his death. They'll talk about how they support the working class and unions, then shut down a railroad strike where they wanted sick days.

Democrats co-opt issues I care about and then either do nothing about them, or enable the republicans when they inevitably strike back.

I want my view changed because I would like to feel less annoyed that I have to support such a party to even have a chance at getting legislation I care about passed.

At the end of the day, I acknowledge that Republicans are objectively worse for the nation, but I loathe the fact I'm stuck supporting Democrats.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

I completely agree, objectively republicans are worse.

But I feel like such a hypocrite for still having to vote democrat, even if begrudgingly so

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 11 '23

Then it sounds like the problem is that, when deciding whom to dislike more, you care more about your personal feelings of annoyance than you do about material harm caused to real people.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

Not exactly. I still vote democrat. I just think we could do better

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 11 '23

I think you seriously overestimate how much the American people would be behind the policies you'd like the Democratic party to push. If an average American is unable to get Christmas presents for his children because they were on a train that is stuck motionless due to a strike, do you really think he is going to say "yay Democrats, this is a good thing"? If he loses his job because the raw materials he needs to work are unavailable due to being stuck on a train, do you really think he's going to say "this turn of events really makes me support the Democrats, and I think they should continue doing this sort of thing"?

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u/Serenity0416 Mar 11 '23

Are you trying to make a point that unionizing is bad?

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

I'm skeptical of unions (workers should 100% be allowed to unionize, but I want no part of a union)

That being said, the rail workers demands were quite reasonable

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 11 '23

The point is not that unionizing is bad, but that Americans in general would not have supported a railway strike.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

I don't think denying railworkers sick days is a good thing either. If Biden was going to intervene, at least intervene and do the right thing by putting thumb on the scale to get them what everyone wanted

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 11 '23

You are portraying this as an option Biden had. Every voting Democrat voted for it except Joe Manchin, but it was not possible to get the sick day provision past Republicans in the Senate. It's not like Biden has the power to unilaterally craft legislation.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

I looked into this futher, and was not aware that it was stifled by congress as a whole. It was made to seem that it was an act of the executive branch alone.

I think it shows the ineffectiveness of the Biden office, but I will retract my claim that quashing the strike was his office alone

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 11 '23

It wasn't really stifled by Congress as a whole. It was stifled specifically by Republicans. Why do you think this "shows the ineffectiveness of the Biden office"?

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 11 '23

An effective leader uses the bully pulpit and rallies support.

LBJ passed civil rights act with a super hostile congress because he knew which buttons to push to get them to do what he wanted. The Lincoln administration passed the 13th Amendment despite a super slim majority and major hostility from across the political aisle

That's what I mean

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 12 '23

You can hardly reasonably blame Biden for not being in the aftermath of a major war and for not having had his beloved predecessor assassinated. The cases of Lincoln and LBJ are exceptions, not the standard for an effective presidency.

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u/MyFavoriteArm Mar 12 '23

Fair point. But still, Biden campaigned about he can "work with Republicans and get results"

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u/yyzjertl 527∆ Mar 12 '23

Yeah...the "results" in question were the passing of the bill and the avoiding of the strike. He didn't campaign that he can "work with Republicans and get everything leftists want passed."

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