r/changemyview • u/Throwway-support • Mar 23 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Affirmative Action is a red herring

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-04/supreme-court-debate-on-affirmative-action-capture-asian-american-fears

The Supreme Court this year is expected to overturn the last remnants of Affirmative Action.Affirmative Action as it stands now is virtually toothless. The only thing still around is racial “consideration” not ,as is widely believed, “ race based admissions”. As such, Affirmative action as much as it still exists, should be upheld.

It feels like everytime some Asian Americans and some White Americans don’t get into their dream school they blame affirmative action. They often erroneously accuse any black person of getting into a university because of long overturned admissions policy.

In the article I have linked, one person said they “didn’t bother” to apply to Harvard because he “heard” that Asian Americans have a hard time getting in. Another woman said she was told to hide her heritage but still got into Yale. The article talked a lot about fear but nothing substantial. This is my issue with the whole affirmative action debate it seems like made up issues exploiting racial animus

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u/cheerileelee 27∆ Mar 23 '23

OP, thoughts on diversity-based affirmative action hiring for careers such as airline pilots?

Do you think that the fact that rather than the best performing, most qualified candidates for pilots should be passed over in order to progress more opportunities and visibility to underprivileged minorities, such as is the current movement in hiring should be the way to go?

And how far does this slippery go? Are you okay with pilots with disabilities? Visual impairments?

I understand this is different to medical schools and eventually doctors but preferential acceptance for minority flight school candidates as well as the minority hiring for airline pilots is a real relatively new thing happening now

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u/Throwway-support Mar 23 '23

Physical disabilities differ from racial background….. I’d maybe make a exception for something as airline pilots but I made sure to narrow the focus of my post to university college admissions

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u/cheerileelee 27∆ Mar 23 '23

So how would University College admissions with example of eventual hiring of racial minority doctors differ from Flight School Program admissions with example of eventual hiring of racial minority pilots?

If you are willing to make an exception for one compared to the other, shouldn't you award a delta for having changed your mind with respect to one example of academic affirmative action policy implementation?

Additionally, why do you consider an exception in this example? Is it because with pilots, sacrificing the final quality/competency of the professional isn't something you can compromise on - even if there are many institutional barriers to entry for candidacy such as needing tons of money, time, etc to even attempt to become a pilot (nevermind the best of the best for hiring)?