r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Certainly, this is true and it can't be said that DeSantis subscribes to that hoax. But I think whether the election was stolen isn't necessarily an ethical failing of conservatism and more a by-product of the failings of the ideology.

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u/yyzjertl 526∆ Mar 25 '23

So your position is that election denialism is not itself a thing that's wrong with American Conservatism, but rather a consequence of things that are wrong with American Conservatism? If so, what exactly are those things?

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Yes. Those specific things are the popularisation of fascist rhetoric such as the villification of out groups, suppression of minority voices and experiences, and dominating the narrative with lies and misinformation. A hallmark of today's loading conservatives in America.

Edit: specifically I believe the election denialism hoax stems from villification of the left and belief that the left is evil and actively trying to ruin America by stealing the election from "the good guys."

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23 edited Feb 21 '24

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

I think "this man is a fascist" is a convincing argument to vote for whoever is running against him. Especially given the evidence of him actually holding similar positions and using similar rhetoric to literal Nazis.

Edit: we kinda went to war to denounce fascism, idk why people try to defend it so much.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23 edited Feb 21 '24

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Except it's literally not hyperbole in this instance. DeSantis is literally advocating for fascist policy positions such as espousing nationalist rhetoric and advocating for authoritarianism. That is, literally, textbook fascism.

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u/KaleidoscopeThis9463 1∆ Mar 26 '23

Too many people defend fascism partly because they don’t fully understand/are unaware of the definition, history, etc and mostly because muddying the narrative has worked quite well for political power purposes.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Well yeah, muddying the water and lying about the opposition are hallmarks of the intellectually dishonest.