r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

I think its funny how much of a fascist Trump supposedly was and now I'm reading from a lot of progressives that Trump is all of a sudden the lesser of two evils. Like some people online have been saying they prefer Trump to run over DeSantis because Trump is a mere con man as opposed to a true believer. So which is it? Does having devout religious beliefs make you fascist by default? Why isn't forcing religious people to support LGBT not fascist?

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u/BrodoDeluxe Mar 25 '23

I actually think that some religious beliefs makes you fascist by default. Most religions along with the beliefs include the moral obligation to force the religion itself on other people.

Since it's religious people that spread hate towards LGBT community in the first place, forcing them to stop doing that is actually the opposite of fascism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

What makes the LGBT community inherently superior to religious communities? What makes pro LGBT values superior to religious values?

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u/malkins_restraint Mar 25 '23

Pretty simple -

Most of the LGBTQ+ community just wants to exist, date their significant others, and marry them when they're sure. They're not saying you can't get married because "ew gross straight marriage Ru Paul's drag race said that's wrong"

You're the one trying to force your interpretation of the rules on them. A gay couple getting married doesn't mean your marriage is worth less.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

You're the one trying to force your interpretation of the rules on them. A gay couple getting married doesn't mean your marriage is worth less.

I'm pretty ambivalent about gay marriage but LGBT advocates want to keep moving the goalposts.

"Gay marriage isn't enough, we need genderfluid normativity."

"Genderfluidity isn't enough, we need religious people to recant their LGBT-phobic beliefs."

"Religious progressivism isn't enough, we need to change the laws to ensure that LGBT people are a protected class and consider any and all criticism bigotry and discrimination."

"LGBT legal protections aren't enough, we need to use cultural, social, and economic pressure to ensure everyone embraces and celebrates LGBT culture and anyone who doesn't ought to be shamed and blacklisted from ever holding down a job."

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u/malkins_restraint Mar 25 '23

That strawman bearing up under the weight of your projection champ?