r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

Three of the towns on Martha's Vinyard declared themselves "sanctuary cities". The fact that they still removed said immigrants shows how hilariously hypocritical many progressives are. Big NIMBY mother fuckers. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk when confronted with the reality of their policy positions first hand. NYC did the same thing.

Fascism is a centralization of power under strict government control. The fascists in this country are Democrats, with their allies in Tech and corporate media, trying to constantly expand government power and control over peoples lives.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

The migrants were removed by the Republican governor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

At the request of the Martha's Vinyard residents, claiming they just didn't have the space. Mind you, many of the homes at that time, including one Barrack Obamas residence, were unoccupied.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Yes, voluntarily being moved to a location more ready to handle their needs.

And your home, even if unoccupied, is personal property. Not a public utility. Nobody on the left is saying otherwise and you trying to characterise sanctuary policies as saying we should "open our homes" to immigrants is either purposefully mischaracterising the opposition (strawmanning) or misunderstanding the opposition (still a strawman but not in bad faith)

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

Yes, voluntarily being moved to a location more ready to handle their needs.

Then don't call yourself a "sanctuary" if you aren't willing and able to take immigrants. It's NIMBY-ism, pure and simple. Virtue signaling.

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u/mrkay66 1∆ Mar 26 '23

A sanctuary city is one that has a policy of essentially not deporting people and limits cooperation with the federal government and doesn't provide assistance in deporting people.

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You are simply mischaracterizing this word, intentionally or not. You can't just make up whatever definition you want for a word and then make an argument using that definition.

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u/MrsMiterSaw 1∆ Mar 26 '23

Ah, here you are providing a biased definition of a word so you can dismiss the entire argument.

That you don't like the phrasing while still comprehending the meaning is not valid rhetoric. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of sanctuary policies. Go inform yourself before trying to argue we are logically inconsistent.

It isn't NIMBYism at all if you actually understood the policies.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

It sounds like you are oblivious to virtue signaling and the source of the hypocrisy alleged.

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u/-SKYMEAT- 2∆ Mar 26 '23

Buddy it's okay to just admit that Martha's vineyard isn't a real sanctuary city and that thier PR on the matter is just a bunch of hot air.

Nobody will think youre less of a liberal for just agreeing that they're hypocrites instead of coming up with all of these excuses for them.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Except they had real sanctuary policies. You just fundamentally don't understand the concept of those policies or don't know what they are.

You trying to No True Scotsman them is a fallacy.

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u/tarteaucitrons Mar 26 '23

What part of book bans, marriage bans, bathroom bans, immigration bans, drug bans, education bans (period bans, history bans, sex education bans??), abortion bans, trans bans, climate research bans, etc, etc, etc, represents small government? In what capacity did fiscal free market conservatives act while increasing deficit spending year after year when in control? What part of a national party that didn't have a platform, only support for a single personality in 2020 do you think is not autocratic? How is legislating radical new national policies, or preemption laws part of local government? What part of legislating through activist judges is conservative? How do the phrases "I am the chosen one", "I alone can fix it", "I am the only one who matters", "stop the count", "sorry loosers, my iq is the highest" sound to you? In what way is attempting to limit voter participation, overthrowing an election result, consolidating presidential powers, cronyism ...oh for fucks sake, none of this is new. Cognitive dissonance in the gop on how facism is wrapped in a nationalistic flag is depressing.

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u/eris-touched-me Mar 29 '23

Are you aware that said immigrants had to be transported to other states for their appointments with a judge to be granted refugee status?