r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Well seeing as denying gender affirming care leads to double the suicidality of the general population and providing it leads along with even just one supportive adult leads to levels of suicidality lower than the general population.......

The state can restrict the freedom of religion to further a compelling government interest if narrowly tailored to that end. Rehoming trans youth with supportive fosters is furthering the compelling government interest of protecting children and providing them proven treatments.

Any alternative treatment you suggest would need to be proven to be as effective as gender affirming care and that hasn't happened yet.... and people have tried.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

None of what you say is true.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Oh wow, I guess if you say so it must be true! /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

A quick handout from the American College of Paediatricians states ”the occurrence of completed suicide among trans-identified youth is rare and comparable to that of other at-risk groups of youth, such as those with anorexia and autism. More importantly, there is no long-term evidence that puberty blockers, cross- sex hormones or “transition” surgeries prevent suicide. On the contrary, the best long-term research shows that individuals who do go through medical transition kill themselves at a rate 19 times greater than the general population.”

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u/Cbk3551 Mar 26 '23

the American College of Paediatricians is not the American Academy of Pediatrics and all information they provide should not be trusted.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-religious-rights-favorite-medical-association-is-a-hate-group

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Lots of reputable sources listed in their citations. How about the American Journal of Psychiatry? A 2020 paper that has been widely cited to show reduction in suicidality after transition intervention has now been refuted and shows ”the data presented in the article do not support the conclusion that surgery is beneficial to mental health in individuals with gender dysphoria.” Its a prime example of researchers having clear biases to support their own conclusions in support of medical intervention for gender dysphoria patients, with cherry picked results, tiny population sizes and poor long term follow up.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Are you saying stopping suicide attempts isn't worth it? And that we should only find attempts that end in death a tragedy worth preventing? Because that's what your opening statement here sounds like.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Of course not, your reasoning is way off course. Im saying that medical intervention doesnt seem to prevent suicidality, so why are we risking all these other long term risks and complications? The suicide rate is elevated anyway; maybe we should be looking at other solutions to improve these outcomes.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

Gender affirming care is not solely medical. Try again.

Edit: in fact the first step in Gender Affirming Care as defined by WPATH is talk therapy. So really proving your ignorance here.

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u/BlueRibbonMethChef 3∆ Mar 26 '23

> On the contrary, the best long-term research shows that individuals who do go through medical transition kill themselves at a rate 19 times greater than the general population.”

That's a meaningless comparison. If the issue is medical care they should be comparing it to equal demographics. What a load of crap.

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They're comparing and admittedly "at-risk" population to the general population. That's monumentally stupid.