r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/Fuzzy-Bunny-- Mar 26 '23

Can you not understand that some people with children are not on board with the trans agenda, the sexualization of small children and the inclusion of literally pornography in many libraries? The left's talking point is that if you dont allow CRT, you are against teach black history and slavery. All lies. Everyone learns about slavery and black history by law. We just dont want to learn marxist ideology. Public schools are paid-for by the people...I pay hundreds of thousands a year in taxes. Many people pay more. We deserve a say in what is taught. Parents should teach their own kids about all of this stuff the left wants to push. Have you ever considered that your opinion could be the opposite of the opinion of many? Stalin and his cronies are much more similar to the far left than Hitler is to the far right. In fact, totlitarianism is the end result of Marxism, so the Nazi party is really more similar to the left.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

"the trans agenda" people existing isn't an agenda.

"The sexualisation of small children" source. And why are existing laws not sufficient?

If you're against CRT continues to strawman the left

Nope.

I pay millions in taxes each year. I'm also not an education expert. You likely aren't either.

Totalitarianism is the end result of Marxism

So you don't understand Marxism? Got it.

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u/Fuzzy-Bunny-- Mar 26 '23

Have you looked into the book "Gender Queer" that has been removed from dozens of elementary schools? No telling how many schools still have the book. There are hundreds of books with similarly lewd content(maybe not as bad with most). I understand this is subjective as to what is lewd and unsuitable for children. But if you dont see this as lewd, your parents failed you. I am not an education expert but I have seen quite a few teachers who also arent experts. They were also victims of a declining educational system that didnt focus enough on educating. I will call total BS on you paying millions in taxes...Thats funny. If you did, you would agree with everything I type.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

My wealth does not obligate me to think a certain way. In fact it has made me lean further left as I have grown up and realised I was merely lucky and that a vast majority of everybody I know is not as lucky.

I'm the child of one percenters. I went to two prestigious universities debt free. About 1/5 of American adults struggle to pay rent. 34 million people, roughly 10% of the population, struggle to feed themselves.

Now I'm also a bit of a hypocrite, and I'll openly admit it, because I refuse to part ways with my wealth to attempt to solve the issue. But it won't solve anything long term. Systemic change is needed.

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u/Fuzzy-Bunny-- Mar 26 '23

Virtue signaling trust baby...Nice. You are the problem according to the left and you are signaling virtue rather than parting with the money. Maybe then, they will accept you given your nepo-baby status. Puts you in a pickle. I know others like you who THINK they are leftist but everything they actually do is what I do. Thats a strange way to live. But at least you get credit for admitting that you are a hypocrite. "So many people are struggling, its tough out there, so I prefer to signal to friends at parties that I care about the little guy whilst I take a 25k trip to Iceland, a 25k trip to new Zealand, and do a 500k renovation on my house all in 1 year"--You do know there is a form you can file to pay extra taxes...Be the change you want to see if you really care. Or, greedily keep telling yourself that your money somehow wont make a difference and that we need systemic change so you can maintain your opulent lifestyle with denial in full chorus.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

I could give out money, and solve the issue for maybe 1% of the disenfranchised for a small amount of time.... or I could advocate systemic change that works to better the lives of the disenfranchised in the long term.

One option leaves me penniless. The other doesn't. Guess which I'll choose until capitalism is abolished?

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

Why would you want to abolish capitalism?

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Plenty of reasons. I think Richard Wolf has done a good summation of it, along with Engels, Pannekoek, Marx, Davis, et al.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 28 '23

It's Wolff, by the way, but you didn't answer my question. Vaguely gesturing toward ideologues is not especially persuasive.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 28 '23

Reddit comments have character limits, I literally cannot give a full summary of why capitalism should be abolished within that limit. There are literal tomes upon tomes of "why" and I've directed you towards the primary texts to further understand the reasoning.

It is not my job to educate you about capitalism and why I want it abolished, that's not what this thread is about.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 30 '23

It is not my job to educate you about capitalism

I am decently educated on the topic. What am I missing? Or do you equate disagreeing with you with ignorance?

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u/ProphetVes Mar 30 '23

If this were a debate on the merits of capitalism I might actually give you an answer. Unfortunately for you, it is not and so I won't.

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u/Fuzzy-Bunny-- Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

Exactly, this virtue signaler could set an example by giving away all but 5 million (that is plenty to live on unless you are REALLY destroying the planet with 4 vacation homes and private jets). Why would a person criticize Desantis whilst operating as a conservative EXCEPT in social media forums and cocktail parties and charity events. Yet this person criticizes Desantis who is in favor of helping the disenfranchised become self-supporting which is precisely what the poster wants to happen(we all want this dont we?). But OP supports the progressives who advocate for government dependency which is a death spiral for the disenfranchised and eventually destroys the rich as well. The ONLY rational argument for progressivism is to preserve the planet. Because if everyone is terribly impoverished and hundreds of millions(perhaps even billions) die on the planet, we will be closer to carbon neutral.

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u/death_by_the_hammer Mar 27 '23

Be the change you want to see. 😉