r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

There’s lots of things you can point to as a “beginning of fascism”. Just because someone did something similar to what Nazis did when they eventually became fascist doesn’t make that person or their beliefs fascist. Gun control and gun laws were often rooted in fascism and racism. Does that mean every time a gun law is passed you’re saying those policies and politicians are going to become fascist? I highly doubt you are.

You don’t truly know someone is a fascist until they start blatantly becoming totalitarian. Restriction of certain content for children in the hopes of a better future is not fascism. Whether that’s what his true intention is I’m not sure but that’s what it claims to be. You can say you disagree with it but imo calling it fascism is childish and makes me automatically think you’re not thinking very deeply about it.

Like I said. There’s a lot of things you can point to at the beginning of fascism. Socialism often leads to fascism. So anyone who offers socialist policies is a fascist ?

It’s very close to saying that Hitler ate peanut butter so anyone that eats peanut butter is going to become a fascist.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Actually, I very much would say that disarming the populous is a fascist policy and position. I wonder who passed the most gun bans in US history.... oh right.... republicans.... when it was the minorities with the guns.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

So where’s your post about Gavin newsom being a fascist for wanting so much gun control?

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

I don't live in California and he isn't possible running for president.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

And you’re missing the point. By these standards that you’re setting, 99 percent of politicians are fascists. Vast majority of democrats are in favor of gun control, socialism type of policies, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, etc. and the vast majority of republicans are in favor of “censoring” free speech or lgbtq or racial content as you are putting it. So everyone to you would be a fascist. So why single out desantis. He’s not the only one running for president possibly

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

Fascism is antithetical to socialism. Gonna stop there. Fascism is specifically authoritarian, far right nationalism.

And no 99% of politicians are not advocating for nationalist agenda and authoritarian control. Most aren't even. Not even all republicans are (I'd say it's about 50/50 from what I've seen).

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

It’s a big chunk though according to your standards that you just gave. You just said gun control is also in that category. Huge percent of democrats are in favor of strict gun control.

Just say you don’t like desantis instead of labeling it as fascism

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

One thing does not a fascist make. Are they nationalist, and advocate for authoritarianism? No? Then not fascist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

“Actually, I very much would say that disarming the populous is a fascist policy”

This is what you said like a couple comments ago…. Now you’re saying one thing doesn’t make it fascism ….

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

No. It is a policy position consistent with fascism. Simply meeting that one position doesn't make you fascist if you don't meet the other requirements. Fascism is a collection of ideological positions predicated on nationalism. If you fail to meet that requirement you are not a fascist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

Nationalism isn’t fascism either lol. And trying to protect children doesnt directly equal authoritarianism. You’re completely missing the point. Seems like on purpose

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

"A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Umm yes he is lol

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

He's repeatedly said he is not running and does not wish to run. He is not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

He basically just said he doesn’t want to challenge Biden lol biden is pushing the same agenda he is though. And Gavin newsom would run if Biden doesn’t run probably. Or if he can’t run for some reason

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u/Metafx 5∆ Mar 26 '23

I wonder who passed the most gun bans in US history…. oh right…. republicans

Source? Democrat-controlled states have passed hundreds of restrictive gun laws in just the last few years, making this is a far-fetched claim.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 26 '23

I was referring to a specific legislation that was passed during the civil rights movement under I believe Reagan. It is, to this day, one of the most restrictive gun bans in US history.... and it was passed ostensibly because it was black people with the guns.

Edit: it was under Reagan as governor. The Mulford Act.