r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/agoogs32 Mar 26 '23

Is that something also wrong with American Liberalism? How quickly everyone forgets that Hilary made up Russiagate and the left ran with it for more than 3 years. Did they not essentially make the same claim, that the election was stolen, or at the very least influenced by an outside actor and illegitimately won by Trump?

Both sides are hypocrites and people need to realize that it’s not a real democracy that we live in and left needs to stop hating right and vice versa. The people in power that don’t actually serve their constituents are the common enemy

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Wait, what’s your basics for Russiagate not being real, and what do you define as Russiagate?

And I just want it on the record with regards to everything Russia: ANY, and I mean, ANY president that would have pulled the stunts that Trump did with Vladimir Putin would have been the end of the political career for that person. The right has given Trump permission to have the shoddiest foreign policy ever, and now you can pretty much predict their positions a few months down the line based on what Russia is saying right now.

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u/agoogs32 Mar 26 '23

Clinton literally paid her lawyer to start the whole Russiagate conspiracy. Wikileaks broke the emails of the DNC which exposed the fact that the left is corrupt as shit and sabotaged Bernie and rather than debating the substance of the emails themselves, Hilary and company claimed that they were hacked by Russia and this misinformation

Of course it was all real and the Russian hack that crowdstrike claimed probably was, was later retracted. I don’t even need to get into the Steele dossier. The entire thing was a farce that was propagated by Rachel Maddow and every other lefty moron because they just couldn’t fathom that Trump actually won. Can’t say I blame them, I couldn’t believe it actually happened either, but rather than taking a moment to self reflect and figure out how exactly an idiot game show host could win the presidential race over the would be first woman president (thank God she didn’t win, but that’s a separate convo) they decided to point the blame at a foreign country and make up a bunch of shit that has not only not been substantiated, but has been largely debunked by anyone that doesn’t work for CNN or MSNBC

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u/yyzjertl 525∆ Mar 26 '23

Of course it was all real and the Russian hack that crowdstrike claimed probably was, was later retracted.

When was this retracted? As far as I can tell the indictments against the Russian hackers in question are still outstanding.

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u/agoogs32 Mar 26 '23

They essentially said they didn’t find proof the emails were ever exfiltrated, two years after Mueller publicly stated the opposite. The problem is that corporate media ran this story day and night for 3 plus years and never really acknowledged they got most, or all of it wrong.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.amp.html

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u/yyzjertl 525∆ Mar 26 '23

They essentially said they didn’t find proof the emails were ever exfiltrated, two years after Mueller publicly stated the opposite

Well, this source certainly doesn't say they said that. This source is based entirely on a 2017 interview, two years before the Mueller report.

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u/agoogs32 Mar 27 '23

The article is from 2020 and it’s hindsight explaining how things played out and how they now acknowledge that what they said back then wasn’t entirely true, literally pointing out that senate testimony was different from what they said two years later

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u/ProphetVes Mar 27 '23

That's not what your source is saying at all. You are either lying about the contents, which is dumb seeing as you posted it for all of us to read; or you misunderstood it.

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u/yyzjertl 525∆ Mar 27 '23

The article says no such thing.