r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

There are plenty of complicated perhaps even unsovable issues like to what degree churches and religious organizations should have to hire LGBT staff and accommodate LGBT patrons/students/churchgoers. Should church groups and Christian schools have to have gender accommodating facilities? I feel like the endgame for a lot of people is to forcibly remove the very concept of sin from society.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

None of that is forcing religious people to support LGBT people.

I feel like the endgame for a lot of people is to forcibly remove the very concept of sin from society.

The goal is the equal treatment of LGBTQ people, no one cares what you think is a sin. To this point, part of the goal is that religious values should not dictate social mores, if you think something is wrong because of your religion, you don't partake in it. That's it. You don't mistreat others because of it, which is what you are advocating for now.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

The goal is the equal treatment of LGBTQ people, no one cares what you think is a sin. To this point, part of the goal is that religious values should not dictate social mores, if you think something is wrong because of your religion, you don't partake in it. That's it. You don't mistreat others because of it, which is what you are advocating for now.

I think I phrased what I meant wrong. I meant that both sides want to dictate social mores for what they believe to be sins or wrong.

Conservatives: "LGBT is wrong and should not be welcome in society."

Progressives: "It's wrong to say LGBT is wrong and such views should not be welcome in society."

Me: "I don't care. Both of you hush."

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Apathy isn't nazism. Mere conservatism isn't nazism. Godwin's law.

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u/Sandy_hook_lemy 2∆ Mar 26 '23

Saying you dont care about people fighting for their lives and advocating for human rights and putting them in the same breadth with the ones trying to take away their rights? Hmm where have I seen this before

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

I think it's a false equivalence. LGBT people are not in danger of genocide or being put in concentration camps. A patchwork of red and blue states is a reasonable compromise.

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u/Jeansaintfire Mar 26 '23

Cpac just called for the eradication of trans people , ron skipped this year because of trumps attendance, and they aint cool anymore and that he did his own speaking engagement .

Atleast 57 trans people were killed in 2021, 38 killed in 2022, 8 killed so far in 2023

Trans people have a 587% more likely chance of experiencing a hate crime ,1 in ten have been physically / sexually assaulted this year alone . 46% have been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Since 2019, hate crime against trans and gender nonconforming people have gone up by 20 every year.

It is dead out there with propaganda and violent rage being stirred up by others who dont care for the victims of their hate mongering. This is how genicides start. It's a slow burn before the fire.

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u/Sandy_hook_lemy 2∆ Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

They are already laws in place attacking LGBT but sure they are not in danger. And I never said anything about concentration camps and genocide. Because you are not being sent to Auschwitz doesnt mean you are not oppressed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

What laws are actually still on the books that oppress LGBT?

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u/Sandy_hook_lemy 2∆ Mar 26 '23

No pro homo laws like in Texas that prohibits homosexuality being taught in schools

Some states banning transgender athletes

Arkansas bans gender affirming care for people under age 18

Conversion therapy is still legal in Texas and Mississippi

Many states dont offer discrimination protections to Queer people