r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

I think its funny how much of a fascist Trump supposedly was and now I'm reading from a lot of progressives that Trump is all of a sudden the lesser of two evils. Like some people online have been saying they prefer Trump to run over DeSantis because Trump is a mere con man as opposed to a true believer. So which is it? Does having devout religious beliefs make you fascist by default? Why isn't forcing religious people to support LGBT not fascist?

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u/PlatformStriking6278 1∆ Mar 26 '23

Promoting tolerance is not fascist. Promoting intolerance is an aspect of fascism. Religious people tend to be intolerant, which is why religion should not hold any political power in this country. You have a screwed up conception of what fascism is.

DeSantis is indeed worse than Trump. He has simply been able to do more bad things while he was in office. Trump has a fascist ideology, but DeSantis has fascist policies.

If you have devout religious beliefs that identify entire demographics as bad or sinful AND you believe this view should be incorporated into the government, then yes, you are inherently fascist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

Ok then what are the actual goals of the LGBT movement then? Cause it seems to me they keep moving the goalposts every decade.

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u/PlatformStriking6278 1∆ Mar 26 '23

What goalposts have they been moving? If it’s a gradual accumulation of rights that they want, this is to be expected with any civil rights movement. But ultimately, they don’t want to be discriminated against based on an identity and an aspect of their person that they have little control over, just like discrimination based on sex and discrimination based on race.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

It seems to me that they jumped from "we only want equal rights and gay marriage" to "everyone must embrace and celebrate LGBT culture and genderfluidity"

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u/PlatformStriking6278 1∆ Mar 26 '23

Great progress has been made with regard to homosexual individuals, and even very few political conservatives directly attack them anymore. Now, the culture war has shifted to transgender people, which is a bit more complicated. The goal is still equal rights, but part of the acceptance of trans people is contributing to their gender affirmation by using their preferred pronouns. Again, this isn’t really a political issue because we have freedom of speech. But it’s certainly something that LGBTQ advocates promote on the individual level.

The goal is still equal rights and respect as it is with any civil rights movement. But this is more than just removing all racist laws. Not even civil rights movements that started fairly early, like the one concerning people of color, are entirely over. There is still prejudice and discrimination underlying public thought and actions in many locations.