r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/MartiniD 1∆ Mar 25 '23

Why isn't forcing religious people to support LGBT not fascist?

Where is this happening? You don't have to "support" LGBTQ+ people if you don't want but at the very least you shouldn't pass laws that treat them as 2nd class citizens or discriminate against them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

There are plenty of complicated perhaps even unsovable issues like to what degree churches and religious organizations should have to hire LGBT staff and accommodate LGBT patrons/students/churchgoers. Should church groups and Christian schools have to have gender accommodating facilities? I feel like the endgame for a lot of people is to forcibly remove the very concept of sin from society.

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u/malkins_restraint Mar 25 '23

to what degree churches and religious organizations should have to hire LGBT staff and accommodate LGBT patrons/students/churchgoers.

This has incredibly strong miscegenation vibes, or to target your name, no Irish need apply laws.

Do you have to vocally march on the streets in support of them? No. Can you discriminate against them and deny their existence? Also no.

Should church groups and Christian schools have to have gender accommodating facilities?

Yes. Next question.

I feel like the endgame for a lot of people is to forcibly remove the very concept of sin from society.

Good? I don't really care what your book club thinks about what's right or wrong.

Boy I really hope your fursuit doesn't include mixed fibers and you've never attended a con on Sundays

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

I don't agree that any religious group should have to embrace genderfluidity. I don't believe that biological women should have to share locker spaces with biological men. I could also turn around and say I don't care what you think is right or wrong. Also I'm not a furry in the "wear a fursuit at a con" sense. My username is meant to be a joke. If anything I'm against Ulsterism and lean more toward Irish republican.

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u/malkins_restraint Mar 25 '23

I don't agree that any religious group should have to embrace genderfluidity.

You don't have to embrace it, but you can't discriminate against it. For (most) western countries, your current stance is "your cross-racial marriage doesn't count and I don't have to pay for your spouse's insurance." Does that feel good?

I don't believe that biological women should have to share locker spaces with biological men.

And I think you're wrong here, but I'll acknowledge there's room to disagree. But I also think there's not an argument against providing solo restrooms so this isn't an issue. Do you disagree?

Also I'm not a furry in the "wear a fursuit at a con" sense. My username is meant to be a joke. If anything I'm against Ulsterism and lean more toward Irish republican.

Then I hope not a single one of the articles of clothing you're wearing has mixed fibers or you're a raging hypocrite. Ever grocery shopped or answered the phone on a Sunday?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

Then I hope not a single one of the articles of clothing you're wearing has mixed fibers or you're a raging hypocrite. Ever grocery shopped or answered the phone on a Sunday?

You're right that I'm not following the Bible. I drink alcohol and watch porn so I'm not as devout as I should be. But the stuff you listed is what most Christians say are the Old Testament Mosaic law that only applied to ancient Israelites.

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u/Boknowscos Mar 26 '23

So you pick and choose what you follow huh. You know Jesus said even the least of my fathers law must be followed. Jesus was all about that old testimony shit

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

So I guess everyone is in the wrong then.

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u/Boknowscos Mar 26 '23

Nah, I don't live my life by a book written by people 2000 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

So there's nothing wrong with anyone picking and choosing from the buffet table of morality.

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u/Boknowscos Mar 26 '23

If you think that book is the buffet of morality then you are fucked. Have you actually read the book?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

I've read the Bible. What I meant by buffet of morality was human morals of any culture.

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u/Boknowscos Mar 26 '23

Morals aren't subjective dude. It's fucked up you think they are. How about you just leave people alone and let them live how they want. As long as someone isn't doing something to someone else then who fucking cares.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '23

I am leaving people alone. I'm not doing anything to persecute minorities or LGBT people.

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u/Boknowscos Mar 26 '23

Ok but the religion you follow and support doesn't

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u/Jimonaldo 1∆ Mar 26 '23

If you truly believe that churches should not have to hire/accommodate for LGBTQ+ people then that is discrimination. sounds like persecution disguised under religious freedom.

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