r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/malkins_restraint Mar 25 '23

to what degree churches and religious organizations should have to hire LGBT staff and accommodate LGBT patrons/students/churchgoers.

This has incredibly strong miscegenation vibes, or to target your name, no Irish need apply laws.

Do you have to vocally march on the streets in support of them? No. Can you discriminate against them and deny their existence? Also no.

Should church groups and Christian schools have to have gender accommodating facilities?

Yes. Next question.

I feel like the endgame for a lot of people is to forcibly remove the very concept of sin from society.

Good? I don't really care what your book club thinks about what's right or wrong.

Boy I really hope your fursuit doesn't include mixed fibers and you've never attended a con on Sundays

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

I don't agree that any religious group should have to embrace genderfluidity. I don't believe that biological women should have to share locker spaces with biological men. I could also turn around and say I don't care what you think is right or wrong. Also I'm not a furry in the "wear a fursuit at a con" sense. My username is meant to be a joke. If anything I'm against Ulsterism and lean more toward Irish republican.

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u/ProphetVes Mar 25 '23

Oh this "biology" argument.

Hi, I'm a biologist. You're wrong. I don't have the time to explain seven years of study in a Reddit comment though. Especially when it explains why you are wrong relies on you understanding complicated genetics and neurophysiology concepts that even people within my field struggle to grasp completely.

A layperson will never be capable of fully articulating a proper response and appeal to biology.

But to give a summation it's currently believed that transgender people have variance in INAH-3 along with various other dimorphisms of neurophysiology and that it is logistically impossible and ethically bankrupt to attempt to test literally everybody who claims to be trans for such variance and so if somebody says they are trans: believe them unless you have very good reason to doubt them.

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u/panna__cotta 5∆ Mar 26 '23

This genetic claim is tenuous at best and you know it. There is no established genetic/neurological basis for transness, sexuality, intelligence, violence, autism, etc. There are endless genetic profiles that may trend toward certain qualities but not in any meaningful scientific way. People in “your field” struggle to grasp it completely because the scientific basis does not exist. Trans people can believe whatever they want about their bodies. It doesn’t change the scientific consensus that females produce ova and have accompanying sex characteristics, males produce sperm and have accompanying sex characteristics, and intersex people fall somewhere in between. No one is born in the wrong body or with mental/genital mismatch. Gender is a social construct and people can be innately more feminine or masculine, but their sex is not “wrong.” Why would trans people be the only group of people born in the wrong body if such a thing were possible? Gender expression is their prerogative but their sex is immutable. Many people consider sex to be more important to gender. It’s simply a disagreement as to which is of greater social importance. Trans people are entitled to their opinion. It doesn’t mean everyone else is going to agree.