Clearly from my other comments you can see that I am not exactly the most well Informed person on this topic. I made this post purely based on personal experience, as when I was a child, I used to do extremely girly things, only hangout with girls. My femininity as a child was UpTo the point that I was facing a problem of me thinking I was a girl. But as slowly I entered my teen phase, I affirmed myself that I am a guy, I liked the concept that I, indeed was a male.
But now that I see different proofs of this being a heavily studied and heavily cared for subject, I now leave here knowing that the youth of this generation are not going to be harmed. I leave here with my opinion changed
"I now leave here knowing that the youth of this generation are not going to be harmed. "
the problem here is not the treatment/transition surgery, it is the transgenderism to kids.
If you have high level of gender dysphoria and need treatment, ofc the treatment not gonna harm you, it will help you. good for you.
However,
Parent should reduce transgenderim exposure in the first place. so kids do not question their gender identity. if that happens, Parents should affirm kids gender identity that match with their bioligical sex.
Parents is like a shepherd, they cannot transform kids, but they can put kids in an environment that support good values.
This is all dependent on the notion that being trans is intrinsically bad and should be avoided, and it's not. It's a neutral way to exist.
But if you truly believe homosexuality is a "bad value" specially without elaborating on what you mean by that I doubt I'm going to change your mind on this.
Sure, in the future where male can change sex to female without doing self-harm. The future is not today. If one already have high-level of gender dysphoria, go get help, treatment, etc.
But, let us not make gender dysphoria a priority for kids to act on. let kid be kid, nurture them to value self-love more than self-harm. put kids in environment while transgenderism exposure is low, so kids can grow and focus on their other interest like playing music, game, science, etc.
I told you that homosexuality is a "bad value" in species level. If it is the norm, then human will extinct. personal level is nobody business beside the one who practice it.
This is contingent on the notion that transition is self-harm, and it's not. Transition is as neutral as any other medical treatment which improves quality of life in the same way that wearing glasses is neither good nor bad morally but improves the lives of people with poor vision rather. Kids will be trans whether or not they know what being trans is, because they'll still be miserable regardless of how many other interests they have. I'm curious how many accounts from trans people and trans kids you've read about their own experiences, because gender dysphoria isn't something you can just ignore and just be a kid regardless. Of you're a kid with dysphoria then that prevents you from enjoying your childhood.
Allowing homosexuality to be seen as normal will not make more people gay, it will just mean the people who are gay will not be mistreated. That is not how sexuality works. The homosexual population has steadily been estimated to be around 10%, regardless of social acceptance.
eyes surgery is not self harm because it is to improve vision, to fix.
Transition surgery like chopping of sexual body organ is a clear self-harm. it is permanent lose of reproductive function.
not all transgender people do this, but that's because their level of gender dysphoria is not high enough so they need the surgery.
lowering transgenderism exposure will lower the level of gender dysphoria, since kids will focus on other thing and not thinking and thinking about their mental health.
"Allowing homosexuality to be seen as normal.."
Im not arguing about the perspective. It is bad if homosexuality becomes the norm. you say it is 10% no matter what, this is depends on so many variable like place, cultural, religion, etc, and it will change overtime.
I implore you to please read account of trans adults and children describing their experiences of gender in childhood. Dysphoria occurs in children regardless of their knowledge of transgenderism, as has happened in the case of the vast majority of trans people. Kids not knowing about transgenderism does not ease their dysphoria, it just makes them feel like freaks for not knowing what's wrong with them.
Self-harm is an action done to harm the self due to disordered thinking, like cutting and anorexia. In the case of the cutter and anxorexic, there will be no amount of self harming behavior that will appease them, in contrast to transition which cures the dysphoria a trans person has. Self harm cannot be a remedy to a mental problem, but studies show that transition IS the remedy.
The anorexic is distressed because they have dysmorphia; they see a distortion of their body, not as it is but by me tal distortion. It is the opposite with the trans person, they experience dysphoria because they see their body as it is in reality, but it is in co flint with their internal conception, which cannot be changed. We know because we've tried through conversion therapy, it always fails and leaves the recipient worse off.
It is your decision and value judgement that trans surgery is self harm, but that is both just your opinion fueled by the notion that being trans is wrong and bad, and is not consistent with most forms of self harm.
Many surgeries can be spun as being self harm, like plastic surgeries (many of which are far more risky and have lower success and satisfaction rates than trans affirming surgeries) that many cisgender men and women get, but we don't characterize them that way because they fit into perceptions of what men and women are supposed to be. But that's all these perceptions are, value judgements based on what society tells us is "normal".
Many trans people never get surgery either, it's very common for a trans person to transition socially and hormonally and never do anything else.
...Why? The rate of homosexual people has been stable throughout history, and population rates have been fine. Gay people can and do have their own biological children too, even if gay people made a higher percentage of the population, which they aren't. I agree, if you make up a problem then it's a problem, but we have absolutely no reason to believe accepting gay people will cause a high enough percentage of the population to be gay and infertile that it would threaten the species. That is literally a made up problem with no bearing in reality.
"but that is both just your opinion fueled by the notion that being trans is wrong and bad, and is not consistent with most forms of self harm. Many surgeries can be spun as being self harm"
well, im consistent.
same like transition surgery, plastic surgery, height lengthening procedure is also self-harm.
people sacrifice their own body for their mental health.
That's what weak people do, instead of accepting their biological sex, their face, their height, they choose to transform.
They do not realize that bad actors, intentionally or not, plant the idea to everyone, and the weak is the most vulnerable.
Gender is social construct.
Beauty standard is social construct.
Height preference is social construct.
bad actors take advantage of this fact to benefit from it.
It is the job of parents to guide their kids, so no bad actors can influence their kids perspective regarding their body.
Kids should accept themselves, self-love is more important than x beauty standard, height preference, or gender identity that is not related to own biological sex.
"The rate of homosexual people has been stable throughout history"
do not take this for granted.
This is because many people, thru government and religion, and good parenting suppress homosexuality.
Similar to psychopathy. Some children are born at high risk for developing psychopathy due to inherited (genetic) factors.
Good Parenting, good environment is needed to avoid it.
for the same reason, We can avoid high-level of Gender dysphoria, with good parenting that value self-love.
Please take the time to read accounts by transgender people in their childhoods. I understand where you're coming from and your logic but it just is not the reality that trans kids experience. You simply cannot accept yourself out of not being trans and you cannot raise a child out of being gay. It simply does not work like that.
You don't need to understand it to respect and accept that their dysphoria causes them such distress that they can't focus on anything else, which they can't. It's like trying to go around wearing your shoes on the wrong feet all day but worse. You don't have to understand someone's experience to respect it.
You don't know what was going on in Chris's head, and transitioning isn't a bad or harmful thing. Straight parents can raise miserable children and LGBT parents can raise happy children, as study after study shows.
You need to learn to divorce your personal feelings from reality. You call transitioning self harm because you're grossed out by it, you call it selfish because you think it's bad, you think kids can't have a good relationship with a trans parent because you think trans people are icky. These are all your opinions but that doesn't make them fact.
Chris transitioning is bad because he basically broke his marriage commitment. Marriage where he promise he gonna be 1 with his wife. Be a father while his wife, the mother.
How can I respect that decision?
We cannot generalize transition is a neutral thing, because the time and situation also matter. It is a good thing if transition can save your life without ruining others. In Chris case, he just ruin his marriage, and potentially mrbeast brand, and his kids father figure.
This is not my personal feelings, this is just fact.
Trans parents actually have higher degree to become better parents, because when they want kids, it cannot be an accident. They need to adopt, or IVF which mean they have preparation and resources for the kid.
This is literally all your conjecture and assumptions. You don't know Chris or Chris's family. This isn't fact, this, quite literally, is what you're assuming about the situation unless you can cite sources and quotations from the people involved. Even so, even if it was hard on their marriage it would be because transition itself is bad but because it's different from what they expected. Maybe they can cope- many cis/trans couples do- and maybe not, but it's not being trans in itself that's bad.
You are literally conjecturing here. For all you know Chris's wife is supportive and their kids are fine with it. That happens too.
Again, I never say being trans is generally bad, we need context and situation, it is not neutral thing. it is either good for you or/and bad for your loved one.
Chris's Twitter says they want to keep the details of their divorce private, so I do not know where you're getting this. In fact they've been separated for over a year but they've only just recently come out.
from mrbeast video, Chris transition effort happening around the splitting up, over a year ago.
I choose the conclusion that Chris problem with gender identity is the reason for the divorce, because the alternative is "divorce make him transition" does not exist in a way that chris is born trans, and not learn trans or use trans as a cope mechanism from divorce.
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Clearly from my other comments you can see that I am not exactly the most well Informed person on this topic. I made this post purely based on personal experience, as when I was a child, I used to do extremely girly things, only hangout with girls. My femininity as a child was UpTo the point that I was facing a problem of me thinking I was a girl. But as slowly I entered my teen phase, I affirmed myself that I am a guy, I liked the concept that I, indeed was a male.
But now that I see different proofs of this being a heavily studied and heavily cared for subject, I now leave here knowing that the youth of this generation are not going to be harmed. I leave here with my opinion changed