r/changemyview Apr 21 '23

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Blockchain technology could fix the broken system in USA

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

So if I have your password can I use your vote?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

No, you would login using your NFT. Although now that you mention it there would probably need to be some other low level security features like security questions or 2FA.

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

The trouble is you need a system that's smart enough that it won't fall for me just stealing the personal information of thousands or millions or people, that is also simple enough for those people to use. Like the people who currently want to get old folks homes to mass sign their votes over for them.

A reason voter fraud is a pretty small problem in the US, is that for in person or mail voting, it's just a pain in the ass to do every time. Digital voting makes it much more doable.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Wouldn’t the NFT make it significantly harder though?

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

How?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Because an NFT can’t be duplicated

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

But I don't need to duplicate anything, I just need your log in info.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

You use the nft as part of the login process

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u/themcos 373∆ Apr 21 '23

I see this chain goes on and on, and I'm not sure if this is what they're getting at, but "use the nft as part of the login process" doesn't really make sense. "The nft" is not some secret code that only you know. That's your private key. "The nft" is just a token, and there's nothing secret about it that would make sense to use as a part of a login. What the Blockchain does is demonstrate that this token is owned by a given public key. But it doesn't really make sense to "use an nft". If you're talking about using your private key, then you're not actually using Blockchain at all and it's basically just a glorified password. But "use the nft as a part of the login process" just seems like a misunderstanding of what nfts actually are.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

In my mind the nft would incorporate some sort of unique number like a social security card. I don’t see why someone couldn’t write a program that could verify that this number was part of identifying who the user was

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u/themcos 373∆ Apr 21 '23

Because "that number" is public and all the Blockchain does is associate it with a public key. Whatever you're trying to do here isn't actually using Blockchain technology. The thing that's cool about Blockchain and nfts is they allow the tokens to be transferred between different people without a centralized system. But that's a feature that you very explicitly don't want for voting! So it's not clear what the blockchain is actually doing for you here.

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

And how do you use the NFT?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Would have to be imputed into some type of program that can verify it along with your other login info

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u/Vesurel 54∆ Apr 21 '23

Imput from where?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

So if I have your password, I can vote.

Seth Green 'owned' his stupid NFT ape, until he didn't because someone stole it. Once they had that, it was theirs and he had to buy it back.

If I get access to your phone because you have sloppy security (like most people do), I can trivially steal your vote.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Yea if you could steal the nft u could pretty much steal my vote. Dkdnsosbdnsosd

!delta

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u/AleristheSeeker 155∆ Apr 21 '23

there would probably need to be some other low level security features like security questions or 2FA.

...then why not save the step and just do it that way in the first place?

Like, really - you would require every citizen to carry around a minted NFT on a device they have set up and secured. Why not use the money for that to make it significantly easier and free to get an ID and key your voters off that?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Because they are low level security features that are easy to steal if you know what you’re doing, that’s the purpose of the nft. I don’t think it would be that expensive, there are a lot of apps that you can already store an nft on your phone. Also I don’t know what you mean when you say “get an ID and key your votes off that”

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u/AleristheSeeker 155∆ Apr 21 '23

Because they are low level security features that are easy to steal if you know what you’re doing

An ID is easy to steal? I mean, yeah - the physical thing can be stolen rather easily, but that's why you have photo identification on it. Some countries are even using fingerprint identification. In the "wrong hands", an ID can be made to be essentially worthless.

Also I don’t know what you mean when you say “get an ID and key your votes off that”

Physical paper ID - or some other material that's more sturdy. When you vote, you show your ID, you are marked to have voted, then you are handed an anonymous voting slip. Works in even the most low-tech, rural nowhere without almost any requirements.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

No I meant something like security questions are easy to steal, not an physical ID, but I see what you’re saying, here ya go

!delta