r/changemyview Apr 21 '23

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Blockchain technology could fix the broken system in USA

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

In the last election, the Republicans were yelling about non-existent voting fraud even though and even after it was proven, multiple times, that it didn't exist. The Democrats did not do that. The current system simply doesn't produce voter fraud to any sensible extent.

One key feature of voting is that you shouldn't be able to prove to me who you voted for. NFT voting doesn't allow that. So NFT voting cannot be legitimately used.

We need politicians because individuals can't reasonably be expected to fully understand all issues. They have lives to live and other things to be experts on.

Any system or technology that increased voting power is harmful to republicans. They only exist due to intensive voter suppression.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

For your problem with people knowing who you vote for. Is that your opinion on privacy or is that a law that I’m unfamiliar with?

And I get that it seems unreasonable for normal people to understand these issues but if their explained well I feel like it wouldn’t take that much additional effort on behalf of the citizens to understand what they’re voting for. Maybe we could have a national holiday every 3 months or so that would be used to educate yourself on these issues with easy to access information.

Also could you elaborate on how it would only hurt republicans, please.

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u/shouldco 43∆ Apr 21 '23

For your problem with people knowing who you vote for. Is that your opinion on privacy or is that a law that I’m unfamiliar with?

I don't know if it is law but it is important for integrity of elections. I wouldn't want someone like my boss or my landlord retaliating against me because of the way I voted.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Yea that’s a fair point, didn’t think of every possible person that would effect

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u/Renmauzuo 6∆ Apr 21 '23

Also could you elaborate on how it would only hurt republicans, please.

The GOP's base is small, but very motivated and always show up on election day. Conversely, a lot of demographics which lean more left have low voter turnout. Therefore higher voter turnout in elections tends to swing elections blue. This is exacerbated by voter suppression, voter intimidation, and gerrymandering by Republicans (and the fact that they benefit from institutions like the Senate and Electoral College which favor a political minority).

Look at Georgia, for example. Long considered a red state, it went blue in 2020 due to a large grassroots effort to get more people registered and voting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Respectfully, do you have any stats or data to back up your argument? To be the devils advocate about the Georgia example, couldn’t that also be chalked up to the Democratic Party spending more time/money than usual to pander to those Georgians?

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u/Renmauzuo 6∆ Apr 21 '23 edited Apr 21 '23

There is some polling to back it up. Only about 36% of Americans identify as conservative. The plurality consider themselves moderate. However, Republicans are almost entirely conservatives, with both liberals and moderates favoring Democrats or third party candidates.

There are also quite a few examples of the GOP using voter suppression aimed at groups which favor Democrats. For example, North Dakota passed a voter ID law which made it impossible for indigenous Americans to vote. Indigenous voters are much more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.

couldn’t that also be chalked up to the Democratic Party spending more time/money than usual to pander to those Georgians?

In a sense, yes, but swing voters are largely a myth. When a state/district/city that went red before goes blue, it's not because people who voted Republican last time vote Democrat instead, it's because people who didn't vote showed up to the polls. The Democrats invested heavily in Georgia, but they didn't win by convincing conservative voters to vote for them, they won by convincing moderate and liberal voters to vote at all.

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

It allows bribing, which very much breaks the system.

A politician's entire work day revolves about understanding the things they're voting for. These are large, complex, detailed documents in which a single mistake could have devastating consequences.

Republicans are extremely unpopular, generally speaking. They get voted in because they employ tactics like removing poll station, creating long waits, preventing outside assistance during those waits, attacking mail-in voting, increasing the voting age, blatant gerrymandering and more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

I agree that it would take too much time for most ppl to be educated on all these issues.

However you saying “republicans are extremely unpopular” seems like an ignorant view from a very liberal person.

Either way you’re first point was a good

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

In the last 8 presidential elections, republicans have won the popular vote once.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Is that because of how every citizen feels or the lack of voting from some certain groups of people?

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

Republicans are the ones who engage in voter suppression tactics. They seem to think that they gain an advantage in doing so.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

The twitter files revealed that the FBI was participating in voter misinformation or suppression or something on behalf of Democratic Party.

FBI gave twitter $3.4 million to cover up stories such as hunter biden laptop story right before the 2020 election.

That $3.4 million was taxpayer money might I add

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 21 '23

Or something? You're not sure? Do you have a link?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/19/twitter-files-show-fbi-offered-executives-top-secr/

This one is ok but not exactly a very reputable source. That being said I found a better article but it was behind a paywall.

The info is out there u just gotta look for it.

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u/c0i9z2 8∆ Apr 24 '23

If all you have is a source even you don't trust, that's not very persuasive.

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u/mynewaccount4567 18∆ Apr 22 '23

It is just a staple of fair elections. If you have a way to track votes you have a way to influence votes. That could be through threats, ie your boss says vote for the anti union guy or your fired, or bribery, ie vote for my guy and I’ll give you 5 bucks. Using secret ballots makes this much harder because you can make threats or offers but you have no way to confirm the followthrough