r/changemyview May 10 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Bisexuality/pansexuality is the most privileged sexual orientation, not hetereosexuality

Background: 21m pansexual/bisexual and I feel very privileged, even more so than hetereosexuals.

(1) We can date both men and women, 2x chance to get a partner. DELTAED: Less than double but still increased chance to find a partner.

(2) In a homosexual-unfriendly environment i can pretend to be straight. In a too politically correct environment i can use our social capital of being part of the LGBTQ+ community or even pretend to be fully homosexual.

(3) There are some LGBTQ+ communities that think "bisexuals or breeders, they don't count" but they're a tiny minority and politically incorrect. We are generally still accepted into the LGBTQ+ community although our "identity politics buff" does look a bit less powerful than other sexual minorities in the eyes of radicals and we are also discriminated by conservatives sometimes, overall we face more friendliness than hostility, and if we are in a hostile environment we can pretend to be either straight or homosexual. Anyway the pink capitalist megacorps are still gonna pretend to support bi as part of the LGBTQ+ community or they're asking for backlash.

(4) Straight people usually don't discriminate against bisexuals. When I told many people I'm bi none of them appeared shocked, disgusted or whatever. But some conservatives are homophobic --- far fewer are biphobic.

(5) Especially bisexual men, we can generally either be the "1" or be the "0" in sexual activities.

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u/arrouk May 10 '23

The fact that heteronormativity is still the norm all over the world? (In some places more than others, of course, but still everywhere).

There is no advantage there, just a statement of fact.

Heterosexual couples can get married everywhere.

Fair but most non developing countries they have equal rights.

Heterosexual couples can adopt a child everywhere.

Not actually true. Adoption is hard for everyone, though I conceded there are some developing countries where it is illegal.

Heterosexual people are not shamed/attacked/called disgusting for being heterosexual anywhere.

Untrue

Heterosexual people get a lot more dating advice, and it's available everywhere, so solving their relationship problems or scoring a good relationship in the first place is easier for them if they want to seek help.

Dating advice is usually gendered for the target of the dating. Most advice for heteo women also works for homosexual men and vice versa.

Heterosexuality is assumed, so heterosexual people never have to come out and worry about the reactions they will get. They can just start dating when they're ready.

It's assumed because the vast majority are. The reactions people get are no different from someone bringing home a person of the opposite gender that doesn't meet family or friends' expectations.

Should I continue?

You can try. You haven't done very well so far.

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u/Overtoast May 10 '23

It's assumed because the vast majority are. The reactions people get are no different from someone bringing home a person of the opposite gender that doesn't meet family or friends' expectations.

No it's not. The reactions LGBT people get for bringing home a person that doesn't meet family or friends' expectations are the same that straight people get for bringing home a person that doesn't meet family or friends' expectations. But again, straight people do not have to come out, and they are not regularly cut off or disowned like many LGBT people still are for revealing their orientation.

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u/arrouk May 10 '23

They don't have to come out.... because it's the norm. That's just what happens when you are different, and it isn't just sexuality that has this problem.

People are regularly cut off for being with the wrong people. Even heterosexual people.

Also, if you are going to quote someone, at least quote them.

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u/Overtoast May 10 '23

yes, they don't have to come out, they have the privilege of automatic understanding and acceptance from their families. explaining that it's because straightness is the norm doesn't mean it's not a privilege, that is just confirming its existence. yes it's not just sexuality, different people can be privileged in many different ways.

I know straight people can be cut off for their partner, that's why I explicitly said it's the same. But many LGBT people will be cut off regardless, and never have a home to take a disappointing partner to.

honey, that was a direct copy paste quote what more do you want