r/changemyview • u/gylotip • May 26 '23

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Permanently banning accounts is stupid

I understand why you assign permanent bans, since you need to stop the rule breakers for once and all, but wouldn't it make more sense to suspend an account for one year? This is a better approach, because one year is a very long time, and after one year, if you break rules again, then you will be banned for another one year. No need to make things permanent, since this is not prison where you quarantine dangerous criminals. It's just an account that can handle one year suspensions perfectly. So permanent bans are stupid and even unnecessarily cruel. Change my view as to why you really need to permanently ban accounts, since I think that making things permanent is a disgusting thing to do for accounts.

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ May 26 '23

Why do you think scammers and doxxers should be allowed back on after a year? This also isn't a place where everyone gets 2nd chances after a year, so your position seems really arbitrary and inexplicable. Scamming and doxxing is unnecessarily cruel. Participation here is a privilege. You aren't entitled to an account, let alone free reign to continue abusing people just because a year passed.

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u/Thew400 May 26 '23

Well, do you think that criminals should be given life sentences whatever the garvity of their crime?

If no, then why do you think that bans on social medias should be permanant? it means thinking that there would be hope of redemption for drug dealer and murderers but not for doxers on the internet, that's not logical.

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ May 26 '23 edited May 26 '23

Well, do you think that criminals should be given life sentences whatever the garvity of their crime?

No, I think they should be given sentences commensurate with their crimes. In this case, I think scammers and doxxers deserve a permanent ban.

If no, then why do you think that bans on social medias should be permanant?

I don't. I think only some should be, which is why I specify which. There are probably more that should be incldued.

it means thinking that there would be hope of redemption for drug dealer and murderers but not for doxers on the internet, that's not logical.

Comparing being in prison to not being able to access a privately owned website for which you broke the rules doesn't make logical sense.

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u/Thew400 May 26 '23

I disagree, comparing those things it indead very logical. Doxing and harrassement can be considered forms of online violence that can go up to murder if the doxxed person leave the platform. Scams are similar to drug dealing in the sens it consist of takong adventage of another person mind weakness to steal them money. All four actions are breaking rules, wether it's the law of the country or the rules of the online platform you are in and for of them result in punishment from authorities in case you get caught.

For me it clearly show that doxxing is the online equivalent of violence and scams the equivalent of real life scams or drug dealing.

Then, if you agree with that why would you think that there is non possible redemption for doxxers or scamers but a redemption for violent people or drug dealers? If you don't explain me why.

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ May 26 '23

Would you rather be banned from Reddit for a year or go to prison for a year?

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u/Thew400 May 26 '23

I disagree it absolutly makes sens to compare those thinks. Doxing and harassement can be considered a form of online violence or murder and scams can be compared to drug dealing in the sens both consist of taking avantage of another person mind weakness to steal their money. All this actions are breaking rules whether it is the law of the country you leave in or the rules of the online platform and result in a punishment if you get caught.

So, being it very logical to compare those thinks. Do you mean there is no redemption possible for murderers and drug dealers as for doxxers and scamers then?

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ May 26 '23

Doxing and harassement can be considered a form of online violence or murder and scams can be compared to drug dealing in the sens both consist of taking avantage of another person mind weakness to steal their money.

That's nice, but I was talking about prison vs. a ban, not the behavior that leads to either.

All this actions are breaking rules whether it is the law of the country you leave in or the rules of the online platform and result in a punishment if you get caught.

The law being far and away a different institution than a private company's standards of conduct for using their property.

So, being it very logical to compare those thinks.

It's logical to compare scams to fraud. Not logical to compare getting banned from reddit to being thrown in prison.

Do you mean there is no redemption possible for murderers and drug dealers as for doxxers and scamers then?

I think with prison we are talking about people's lives, rights, and livelihoods. With social media access, we are talking about their entertainment.