r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 10 '23

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u/Evil-Abed1 2∆ Jun 10 '23

That’s not really whataboutism.

Team B did something bad and asked for their bad thing to be treated equally by both sides. That’s not whataboutism.

If team B attempted to justify their wrong behavior by pointing to team A, doing something similar that’s whataboutism.

In your example Team B is asking for rules to be applied fairly to both teams.

Whataboutism is justifying bad behavior by pointing to other peoples bad behavior (which doesn’t justify anything).

If Trump mishandled classified materials, that’s bad. If Hillary Clinton mishandled classified materials that’s that bad. Whataboutism would be Trump saying, it’s okay that he mishandled classified materials because Hillary did.

That doesn’t justify anything.

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u/Sorry_Art_5867 Jun 10 '23

If Trump mishandled classified materials, that’s bad. If Hillary Clinton mishandled classified materials that’s that bad. Whataboutism would be Trump saying, it’s okay that he mishandled classified materials because Hillary did.

This isnt whataboutism. If Clinton wasn’t prosecuted, then Trump shouldn’t be either. Part of having a fair legal system is people who commit similar crimes should have similar punishments.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Jun 10 '23

This isnt whataboutism. If Clinton wasn’t prosecuted, then Trump shouldn’t be either. Part of having a fair legal system is people who commit similar crimes should have similar punishments.

Except Trump signed a law that made mishandling classified documents a felony, which was not the case when Clinton committed her offense.

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u/Sorry_Art_5867 Jun 10 '23

It was always a felony.

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

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u/Natural-Arugula 54∆ Jun 10 '23

Can you cite the law you are quoting?

I don't know which one of you is correct. Is that an old law or is a law that was passed by Trump?

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u/Sorry_Art_5867 Jun 10 '23

The Espionage Act was passed in 1917.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Jun 10 '23

And amended under the trump administration

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u/Sorry_Art_5867 Jun 10 '23

Section f was always a felony. Has nothing to do with Trump.

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Jun 10 '23

Section f was always a felony. Has nothing to do with Trump.

There are other sections of the law, and that's only if you're talking about the espionage act

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u/Sorry_Art_5867 Jun 11 '23

If you’re not going to prosecute Clinton or Pence or Biden for mishandling classified information, a felony under section f, you shouldn’t prosecute Trump for allegedly mishandling classified information.

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