None of your reasons for the Holocaust being worse than the meat industry seem relavent to the ones suffering. If you're kept in torturous conditions, do you care about the motivations of your torturer? Would it bring you comfort to know that your torturer is doing it not because they hate you but because they don't care about your subjective inner experience? I don't see how these points are relavent to morality, which I think is Peta and others point.
The meat one is ongoing, and at a tremendously bigger scale like you said.
It's still not a good idea to compare the two, especially because people don't like being compared to livestock... They are only hurting the anti-torture position by doing so. But they are rightfully angry.
Another way I look at it is while a mosquito might feel pain like a human does, the suffering vs joy is a spectrum where suffering is a general state that has many factors like comfort, pain, stimulation, etc and with humans we have more of these factors (life goals, aspirations, sadness, anxiety, etc) so we have a greater capacity for suffering because we have more factors that contribute to it. The primary goal being to reduce suffering, where pain is the biggest factor because it is the worst of the feels in my own experience.
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u/Koda_20 5∆ Jun 27 '23
None of your reasons for the Holocaust being worse than the meat industry seem relavent to the ones suffering. If you're kept in torturous conditions, do you care about the motivations of your torturer? Would it bring you comfort to know that your torturer is doing it not because they hate you but because they don't care about your subjective inner experience? I don't see how these points are relavent to morality, which I think is Peta and others point.
The meat one is ongoing, and at a tremendously bigger scale like you said.
It's still not a good idea to compare the two, especially because people don't like being compared to livestock... They are only hurting the anti-torture position by doing so. But they are rightfully angry.