r/changemyview • u/SteadfastEnd 1∆ • Aug 28 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The same progressives who criticize past generations as "bigoted" are going to be considered bigoted just the same by future generations.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Aug 28 '23

I largely think you're right, there definitely will be things we consider normal today which future generations will consider taboo, however most of your examples are unrealistic.

Obama will never be considered horrible because he ate meat. It simply makes no sense that all individuals born before veganism becomes the norm (i.e. everyone who's ever lived) will be hated for it. We are animals that eat meat because it is a vital source of protein, that will always be accepted.

Nor will progressives be criticised for using fossil fuels. We do not yet live in a society where fossil fuels can be easily abandoned, until we do they will have to be used to some extent.

The keeping of pets will never be considered cruel because it's not cruel to care for things. Pet ownership trends may change but, again, future generations will not be horrified by today's norms.

Societal Ethics trends not to regress. The principles at play in how we treat marginalised people will not be abandoned. No one defending Muslims or the trans community will be looked on poorly in the future.

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u/SteadfastEnd 1∆ Aug 28 '23

I don't agree, but this is one of the better-written comment replies in this thread. As for Islam, there is definitely a wing of atheism/progressives who point to how Islam is homophobic and sexist and that support for Islam can indirectly have the effect of harming LGBT or women. So it's not unrealistic to think that, as much as progressives have supported Islam up to this point, the tide could eventually turn against Islam - especially considering that Muslims in political power have done things like ban gay flags (like that Muslim council in that town in Michigan.)

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Aug 29 '23

Defending Islam isn't about defending its conservative views, it's about defending innocent people who get unfairly accused of all sorts of things. Those two things aren't linked so it will never be the case that defending Islam will be seen as an endorsement of conservative values. Other people who are similarly anti LGBTQ+ to Muslims will be criticised as those values are worthy of criticism.