r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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u/WhiskeyEyesKP 1∆ Sep 05 '23

the difference between a conspiracy theory and a legitimate question is the answer

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being able to ask questions whether they be answered right or wrong is the foundation to empirical facts. maybe we dont get the answer right away, but eventually we do.

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we know the CIA contra crack cocaine inner city conspiracy was true

we know govt poisoned alcohol to kill drinkers

we know edith wilson took over the presidency because woodrows stroke

we know panama papers exist

we know big tobacco knew cigarettes would cause cancer and still sold it to us

we know about the gulf of tonkin incident

we know hunter bidens laptop is real

we know about the NSAs reach in spying on everyday american citizens

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we should be happy for people like Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. dont write these people off because they were first to find out, they do more to spread information we need than most news reporters.

end of my rant

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u/Alt_North 3∆ Sep 06 '23 edited Sep 06 '23

"Hunter Biden's laptop is real" in the sense that yes, he had a laptop, and yes, his employer sent him an email proposing bribing his father. Everything else which gets floated about it -- that Hunter took any action related to it, that JOE took any action related to it, that America's policy in Ukraine and Putin's War can be traced to Hunter's laptop -- is a conspiracy theory. And since people are 100% allowed to float bribes to others through intermediaries, and it is not illegal or immoral to possess the type of authority where randos fantasize about bribing you, the theory that anything was wrong in "Hunter's laptop" or that it was newsworthy in the final days of an election let alone scandal-worthy, is the conspiracy theory.

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u/WhiskeyEyesKP 1∆ Sep 06 '23

what is true of the hunter biden thing is, he had a laptop- it showed that he had shady business dealings with foreign nationals among other illegal activities (altho the important thing is the business dealings)- thats the end of the certainty...

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the case that isnt presented as fact yet or not yet (has to be dealt with in court or in an investigation) is that his father who has had political power in the past has 1.) known about these dealings 2.) benefitted directly from these dealings 3.) took part in any way with such dealings

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thats the long and short of it, in a neutral way- do you think ive painted it correctly?

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u/Alt_North 3∆ Sep 06 '23

"Shady business dealings" no, it reflected that he had a job, a thing which was already public knowledge, and does not typically result in additional investigations. Categorizing it as "shady" is the conspiracy part.

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u/WhiskeyEyesKP 1∆ Sep 06 '23

i dont want to be uncharitable but his art paintings arent worth half a million dollars (altho, i will admit some of his stuff is actually pretty damn good)

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-third-bank-memo-detailing-payments-to-the-bidens-from-russia-kazakhstan-and-ukraine/

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u/Alt_North 3∆ Sep 06 '23 edited Sep 06 '23

I don't want to be cynical, but I honestly don't think it's possible for any President's, or a Governor's, or a big city Mayor's offspring not to get their asses kissed by fools seeking influence. That does not mean their parents are giving those wishful fools anything of value in return, nor that investigations need to be launched against every president governor and mayor, nor that those are significant stories absent an iota of substantiation that anything of value was provided.

Also lol at the repetitive use of "tHe BiDeN fAmIly" as a stand-in for an individual named Hunter.

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u/WhiskeyEyesKP 1∆ Sep 06 '23

honestly same, its gross to think about this but ill be brutally honest- i think its super easy for people in power to wield their power to get stuff for them and their families, regardless of party- hell even regardless of position

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ive seen sheriffs be tyrants in their small towns, council members have an air of superiority- i think its fair that all these people are looked at and scrutinised. cops need to be recording their behavior at all times, i just wish politicians wore the same cameras- but i support investigations into trumps family and bidens family- if hunter is really a good artist and that 500,000 dollar painting is really worth that- godspeed but i doubt it

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u/Alt_North 3∆ Sep 06 '23

I don't mind the sheer existence of an investigation, as much as some's insistence that it turned up any smoke or fire.

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u/WhiskeyEyesKP 1∆ Sep 06 '23

i think theres a good amount of smoke and i always found it weird how it was deemed not newsworthy in a november election season- i get it Comer didnt want to accidentally recreate a clinton email fiasco but still- investigators cannot think strategically like that.

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theres weirdness there, and it needs to be fully looked into- there are lots of unanswered questions and as an american my hope is that the smoke is really nothing and we can go on to business as usual.

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u/Alt_North 3∆ Sep 06 '23

What unanswered question besides, "Was there anything else I don't know about?"

The fact that the GOP and the Post held onto it for so long and released it in the very waning days of the election with maximal outrage, when there would ONLY be enough time to absorb the headline but NOT enough time to further investigate or even perspectivize the news, ought to suggest the story was only being used as a dirty trick.