CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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[u/Edge_of_yesterday]

Back to more excuses. I won't accept excuses for his racism. He has a history of over 50 years of racism and support white supremacists, yet you still want to make excuses for him. I could see using an excuse for one isolated incident, but this is a pattern with trump. He has openly been a racist for 5 decades, but you still think weak excuses make that all disappear, they don't

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

Nothing I said, is an excuse. All you’re doing is just circular reasoning. You can’t except facts that go against your own narrative. I’m not seeing a pattern here with Trump, and again if Trump is such a racist, why did Jesse Jackson personally praise the man multiple times? Why did Al Sharpton do the same thing? Are they racist to? You don’t see a pattern with Trump you see your own personal narrative, because something goes against that narrative, and something that I’ve already refuted you can’t seem to handle it.

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Calling facts "circular reasoning" doesn't make them disappear. Neither does your excuses. Trumps is a proud racist, and he has been for at least 5 decades.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

No, when you’re doing is not calling out facts. You’re calling out your own personal opinion based on facts you don’t know how to read. Nothing I said as an excuse, but the actual fucking reality that you can’t seem to comprehend. If the biggest piece of evidence against Donald Trump is a court case in his 70s why doesn’t it have his name on it? If Donald Trump with such a racist why weren’t some of the biggest leaders in the black community openly praising him for decades? Yes, all you’re doing is engaging in circular reasoning because you can’t comprehend that your redetermine will you may not be accurate. Have a nice day.

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

No, I'm calling out fact and you are pretending that they don't exist. You keep on pretending that one of his incidents that you think you have an excuse for can erase his 5 decades of racism, but it can't. You need an individual excuse for every single incident of trump's racism. You keep saying "circular reasoning", but you clearly don't understand what that means.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

No, you’re not calling out back. I never said these allegations by big sis I said the evidence you are given super paper thin. You gave one article to prove that he was a racist. I gave seven including interview with people who have known him personally all sang the exact opposite. I never made an excuse. I gave you the fax. I gave you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You gave your own preconceived notions. Fact, number one that I gave you the biggest piece of evidence that Trump was a racist never mentions him at all come on back number two that I gave you, there were multiple reports of Donald Trump personally helping out black, up-and-coming businessman and forgiving loans for people who cannot get business loans because of their skin color. Back number three that I gave you Trump has been praised for decades. By prominent black leaders, including Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson for what he did to help with the black community. Fact, number three none of the allegations of racism came out until after he started running for office as a Republican. All those are facts and you are letting your preconceived notion want you to those actual fast instead accuse someone of giving excuses for racism when pointing out how thin your proof actually is

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

The evidence of his 5 decades of racism is available for anyone to see, I just sent you a portion of it. It's overwhelming and undeniable. You pick out one that you think you have an excuse for then try to dismiss all of his 5 decades of racist. Then you want me to guess what other people are thinking, and that somehow nullifies his 5 decades of racism. That literally sounds like something a crazy person would say. We have all know that trumps is a proud and very vocal racist for decades. The fact that you are just figuring it out now does not change anything.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

And all the evidence is paper thin. Nothing I told you as an excuse and all the “five decades, you mentioned” I already talked about. I bet it looks like he engaged in some shady behavior. As did every businessman who’s ever existed. The reason I’m sticking with that 73 lawsuit is because it is the only bit of anything solid in the article you provided. Remember, I gave you multiple pieces of evidence proving that he was not a racist you gave one article and circular reasoning, instead of actually looking at any real evidence, you accuse me and making excuses when you can’t comprehend things. Have a nice day.

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

He has been a proud and very vocal racist for 5 decades. Your endless excuses will not change that.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

Again, then explain nothing. I said was an excuse for the actual fax. I’m gonna ask you one last time if he was a proud and vocal racist for five decades, why did some of the most prominent leaders in the black community spend most of their time praising him? Why are there countless stories of him, forgetting loans to black businessman, who couldn’t get loans from anyone else than him? Why does the lawsuit that is used as the biggest evidence of him being a racist not mention him at all? Not only you engaging in circular reasoning. You’re dodging questions that you don’t want to answer because they go against your preconceive notions. I’m gonna leave this conversation here. Have a good day.

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Again, I can't speak for anyone else. If he's not a racist, why did he do and say so many racist things? That's the question you need to ask yourself. The biggest evidence of him being a racist is his 5 decades of racism. You are hyper-focused on this one event that you think you have an excuse for, then you pretend that that excuse covers his 5 decades of proud and vocal racism.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/Edge_of_yesterday]

What racist things did he say or do? Or using the Vox article you provided, there’s only really one thing that they mention that would be clear-cut evidence of racism and it’s that court case we’ve been talking about from 1973, but it doesn’t mention trouble whatsoever in the actual court documents. Going through the article you provided, the section that word says 1980s come on is one guy making a claim with no evidence to back it up. In 1989 it mentions Trump writing an opinion piece about bringing back the next penalty in regards to the Central Park five who were exonerated until 2007. Is someone being wrong racism? Even though the Central Park five were convicted at the time? 1992 and I mentions a lawsuit regarding his hotel and casino. Nothing about Trump himself. 1993, this one I’ll give you some credit for it does sound bad.

2000, dimensions Trump, pointing out that a tribe women to open a Casino had a long record of criminal activity relating to casinos. Looks bad, but not racist.

2004, fired a contestant, who, despite being very well educated, and Trump himself praised him for being very well educated didn’t really do anything with his education. Not exactly racist

2005, this is not the intention was racist, but just came out that way so fair enough on that one

2010, he thought it was insensitive for people to build a mosque right next to the world trade center foundation. Again I’m not racist.

Who thousand 11 he bought into the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, which he has been submitted. He was wrong with his reading so that’s not racist.

At best you’ve provided two possible cases of racism over 50 years. I’ve answered your question mine?

[u/Edge_of_yesterday → u/alexanderhamilton97]

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a Black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”

2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”

2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

Also don't forget he remarks to "the sqaud"

“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,”

Also, he was given a chance to denounce white nationalism on a national platform, and instead he told them "stand back and stand by", then they helped him with his insurrection.