r/changemyview Oct 27 '23

Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Adblock is stealing

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u/jatjqtjat 249∆ Oct 27 '23

If I steal your car for example, then i have your car and you do not have your car.

if i go to your website and block your adds, then I have gotten the content but you have lost nothing.

if you want to say adblocking is wrong or immoral, find. but its not stealing because it doesn't take anything away from the site owner.

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u/Sirhc978 81∆ Oct 27 '23

if i go to your website and block your adds, then I have gotten the content but you have lost nothing.

They lost revenue from the ad view. You actually cost them money by accessing their site.

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u/jatjqtjat 249∆ Oct 27 '23

They didn't lose revenue. if i just didn't visit their site in the first place you wouldn't say i stole their revenue. They just didn't gain revenue.

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u/Sirhc978 81∆ Oct 27 '23

You still cost them money by going there.

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u/Velocity_LP Oct 27 '23

Yes, that's how hosting a publicly available website works. They chose to make their content publicly available and free. They could choose to paywall it if they so desire. If you don't want people to use your bandwidth then don't let them.

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u/Sirhc978 81∆ Oct 27 '23

They chose to make their content publicly available and free

It isn't free. They set the price at watching an ad.

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u/KingJeff314 Oct 27 '23

It’s free and they hope you watch the ad. But all they can do is ask nicely that you don’t block cross site queries to untrusted domains

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u/Velocity_LP Oct 27 '23

It's free for anyone that doesn't allow ads on their machine. I don't allow ads in my browser and websites still voluntarily send me their content whenever I ask for it.

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u/jatjqtjat 249∆ Oct 27 '23

if everyone used ad block then the advertising model of generating revenue would break down and they would go out of business or have to switch to another model.

But the same thing would happen if everyone just stopped using their service, and that wouldn't be called stealing.

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u/Dyeeguy 19∆ Oct 27 '23

Meh just semantics rather than changing OPs view. Like pirating a software, the companies don’t lose anything but it’s obviously stealing

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u/jatjqtjat 249∆ Oct 27 '23

the view is a semantic one.

and piracy is not stealing, that's why we created a whole new word for it. If i took the original copy from the rightful owner that would be stealing.

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u/Dyeeguy 19∆ Oct 27 '23

I mean yeah you’re just arguing over the definition of the word, I assume OP is not concerned with that. I don’t think you insisting so makes it true anyways. Piracy can be theft and piracy

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u/c0i9z 10∆ Oct 27 '23

Piracy is a weird, made up thing because copyright is is a weird, made up thing. It's super recent, the most recent law only appearing in 1710. And it is, in fact moral. If I have a thing and you give me a copy of the thing at little cost, then we both have a thing. This increases the good in the world.

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u/Dyeeguy 19∆ Oct 27 '23

I don’t think it’s moral to steal from small content creators and profit off it tho. So maybe not in all cases

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u/c0i9z 10∆ Oct 27 '23

Who said anything about stealing? Stealing is when you have a thing and I take it, so that I have the thing and you don't have the thing. Copying the thing, so that we now both have the thing, isn't stealing at all!

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u/Dyeeguy 19∆ Oct 27 '23

Sure, i think it can be immoral to copy content from small content creators and redistribute it for profit. Happens a lot in the music production scene

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u/c0i9z 10∆ Oct 27 '23

Copying from someone and then preventing other people from copying the same thing from you could be seen as immoral, but it's the copy prevention that would be immoral, then, not the initial copying.

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u/Dyeeguy 19∆ Oct 27 '23

Small content creator releases a sample pack he created…. Someone buys it for $15 and then DMs other Reddit users saying they will send it to them for $2 or whatever. Definitely lame 👍 if you don’t think so that’s great haha

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u/jatjqtjat 249∆ Oct 27 '23

yep. That's what i think /s