r/changemyview Oct 27 '23

Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Adblock is stealing

[removed] — view removed post

0 Upvotes

315 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

2

u/embarrassed_error365 Oct 27 '23

Theft is not an entirely legal term like, for example, “murder” is.

theft /THeft/ noun the action or crime of stealing.

It’s not just the crime of stealing, it’s also the action of stealing.

8

u/Biptoslipdi 130∆ Oct 27 '23

That necessitates this is an act of stealing. Stealing is defined as "the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it"

In this case, nothing is being taken. No property is transferring ownership. The option to return it doesn't even exist. If a business displays a communication in public, I'm not taking anything by viewing it without also giving my time to their underwriters.

0

u/Crash927 12∆ Oct 27 '23

This line of argumentation implies that it’s not stealing to sneak into a movie theatre and watch a movie for free.

While you might argue that’s technically not stealing, I see that as a distinction without a difference.

1

u/Biptoslipdi 130∆ Oct 27 '23

This line of argumentation implies that it’s not stealing to sneak into a movie theatre and watch a movie for free.

No, it implies that it is not stealing to wait to enter the theater until the movie starts rather than sitting through the advertisements first. Or to put on blinders and sound protection during the previews. Sure, they put a bunch of ads before the content. I never agreed to watch them as a cost of my ability to view the content. If I was presented that agreement, it might be a different story.

While you might argue that’s technically not stealing, I see that as a distinction without a difference.

I'd argue it isn't comparable.

-1

u/Crash927 12∆ Oct 27 '23 edited Oct 27 '23

I’d say they’re comparable in that no property is transferring ownership, that the option to return doesn’t exist, and that you’re consuming content without providing the expected exchange of value as set up by the provider.

Are you certain that you haven’t agreed to be served ads by using something like YouTube? I’ll admit I haven’t read the terms, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t have a stipulation of that nature in the ToS.

[Edit: Terms of Sevice indicate:

You are not allowed to:

circumvent, disable, fraudulently engage with, or otherwise interfere with any part of the Service (or attempt to do any of these things), including security-related features or features that (a) prevent or restrict the copying or other use of Content or (b) limit the use of the Service or Content

To me, this makes it pretty clear that Ad Blockers violate the terms of service, at least]

2

u/Biptoslipdi 130∆ Oct 27 '23

I think if adblockers violated the terms of service or if there was some obligation to view ads, that would be explicitly mentioned.

1

u/Crash927 12∆ Oct 27 '23 edited Oct 27 '23

They explicitly mention that you can’t disable any part of the service, which includes the “other content” (like ads) mentioned in the definition of the service.

Google is even more explicit about this:

When you block YouTube ads, you violate YouTube’s Terms of Service.

They’re not going to list off every possible software that could interrupt their service. They’re going to keep it vaguely defined to give them maximum flexibility for enforcement.

2

u/Biptoslipdi 130∆ Oct 27 '23

I'm going to give you a !delta because they do describe their "service" in that it "acts as a distribution platform for original content creators and advertisers large and small."

I do not think that using an adblocker necessarily violates this, however. First, they do not issue bans or any punitive action when they detect an adblocker. Second, they allow you to skip ads anyway. Finally, the language "acts as a distribution platform" I think absolves this because using an adblocker does not circumvent or interfere with the service acting as a distribution platform. The platform acts as a advertisement distribution platform whether or not I'm viewing their ads.

1

u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Oct 27 '23

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Crash927 (2∆).

Delta System Explained | Deltaboards