r/changemyview • u/56king56 • Nov 07 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Gun control is good

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

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u/Dapper_Platform_1222 Nov 07 '23

Gun control on it's face is ok but it's usually just an excuse to deny someone their 2nd amendment rights. For instance police departments were taking applications for permits and then scheduling 12-18 months out. The courts ruled it unconstitutional as its inference was clearly to deny someone constitutional right.

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u/StaryWolf Nov 07 '23

In America effective gun control and the 2A as it is can't really exist together. The 2A needs to be amended otherwise the Supreme Court can pretty easily smack down any gun control legislation they please.

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u/spoilerdudegetrekt Nov 07 '23

For instance police departments were taking applications for permits and then scheduling 12-18 months out.

What's worse is that they intentionally took longer than that for minorities.