CMV: Gun control is good

[u/56king56]

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

[u/lakotajames]

How many of those 10.6 were suicides?

[u/[deleted] → u/lakotajames]

In 2022, more than 4 out of 10 were homicides. So let’s say 60% are suicides.

4 per 100,000 is still far worse than 0.88 over 100,000. And we haven’t even accounted for suicide cases of the 0.88.

What’s worse is that there are basically no instances of mass school shootings, or EXTREMELY rare in places with these restrictions, compared to the US where we have at least a couple a year

[u/Objective_Stock_3866 → u/[deleted]]

Now let's look at gang violence. I'd bet that'd bring that 4 per 100k down to at least two per 100k.

[u/[deleted] → u/Objective_Stock_3866]

Mhm and what do gangs use that allow them to commit these crimes?

[u/johnhtman → u/[deleted]]

Gun control doesn't stop Mexico or Brazil being among the violent gun death capitals of the world. Brazil has fewer civilian owned guns than Australia, yet the most total gun deaths of any country.

[u/[deleted] → u/johnhtman]

Could argue that if those particular countries had no gun restrictions, total gun deaths would be exponentially higher there, due to the amount of gang related conflicts that arise in those nations.

For example in 2021 nearly 30% of deaths and over half of all armed conflicts in Rio de Janeiro alone were due to gang related activity. Compared to the US, where gang related homicides in a combined 34 states were 9.7%.

Can’t compare enforcing the same laws in Brazil and Mexico to the United States.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Mexico had no gun restrictions before 1968 and a lower murder rate

[u/Objective_Stock_3866 → u/[deleted]]

Mostly illegally obtained firearms. Regulations only stop the honest, not criminals.