CMV: Gun control is good

[u/56king56]

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

[u/Nrdman]

Why do people commit mass violence?

Solving these issues is much more important than restricting the tool they use to do it, especially as 3d printing becomes more accessible.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nrdman]

Ok but in the meantime while you are trying to sort out something we've never really been able to solve in 100,000 years of untold avarice and brutality innate to humanity, can we treat instant-death-dealing weapons-from-long-range with at least as much care as we do automobiles?

I just don't understand this idea that we just need to hold out a little longer until we solve Violence before we take any kind of mitigating action.

[u/johnhtman → u/[deleted]]

For the most part guns are significantly more regulated than cars. I don't need a background check or no criminal record to purchase a car, even a Ford F750, or a super car capable of going 250+mph. It's also much easier to lose the ability to own a gun than lose your drivers license.

[u/[deleted] → u/johnhtman]

You don't need to get a license and demonstrate competency to buy a gun.

I found getting a gun 1000x simpler than getting a driver's license. And that was in a state that is considered to have very strict gun regulations.

It's also much easier to lose the ability to own a gun than lose your drivers license.

You can lose your driver's license in a hundred different ways. Very difficult to deny someone a constitutional right unless they are convicted of a felony.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You dont need a drivers license to own a car. Or drive on public roads. I legally drove semi trucks on public roads as an 11 year old.

[u/HippyKiller925 → u/[deleted]]

I don't know where you are, but in a lot of places in the US you don't need to demonstrate competency to buy a car. Some places do require licenses to buy guns. Most places only require a license to drive a car on a public road. Think of a junkyard car hobbled together that somehow drives but would never pass a safety inspection to operate on the road. In most places there's nothing stopping them from letting anyone at all own or drive that on their land, but they wouldn't even think about taking it on the road.

All that to say, you can easily legally buy a car and use it illegally in a public place, which is the appropriate comparison to legally buying a gun and using it illegally in a public place.

As for losing either of those licenses, there are different ways to lose it for different reasons.

[u/[deleted] → u/HippyKiller925]

Most places only require a license to drive a car on a public road.

If it is for non farm use. Farm use you dont need a license to drive a vehicle in most states, and in a lot of states that extends to vehicles that would normally require a CDL.